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Jai Baba everyone. Sorry, I can't be with you tonight in my too too solid flesh as Shakespeare says I'm recovering at Baba's Pace. He told us all in San Francisco in 1956 to have 1% of his infinite patience. So as a patient, I have to have patience and you two with me.
Tonight our subject is one of the world's most famous men Jesus or as his name was pronounced then Joshua of Nazareth.
He has influenced Western history and culture of the last 2,000 years, perhaps more than any other man and rightfully, so he was the god man. He was God in human form. Today's date is March 5th 1983. And when we say 1983 we celebrate Jesus birth as being 1983 years ago.
Our calendar begins with his birth date.
Scholars say his real birth date was actually seven A.D. So our correct date. Today would be March 5th many people it might fit 1976 many people including Scholars have questioned whether there was an actual historical Jesus. He was mentioned only once or twice in recorded archives notably by Josephus as being another young rabbi crucified for his unorthodox teaching. By the Jews of his time he was considered the long-awaited Messiah. This was not the idea of an incarnation of God, but of a spiritually illumined Prophet who would lead the Jews to freedom. To some Jews this meant political freedom from the tyranny of the Romans.
The idea that Jesus was an actual incarnation of God was developed by St. Paul. Jesus himself may have hinted at his divinity to the close disciples, but he called himself the son of man.
His hints that he was one with his father and that none could come to the father but through him upset the very Orthodox Jews of his time because Saint Paul spread the good news or Gospel of the Advent of the Messiah to a non-semitic world a Greek educated world. He emphasized his divinity in terms they could understand.
For example, the Virgin birth All Greek gods were born of a virgin. So for credibility, there is the Charming myth of Christ virgin birth, but Baba explains, the birth of the Avatar is always that of a normal human being he is conceived in pure love not lust it is the five perfect Masters or Sadguru's of the age that bring down God into human form.
Putting a veil over his Divine Consciousness so that he has a normal childhood then at a special moment one of the five breaks the veil by some physical contact in the case of Jesus. It was his baptism by St. John one of the five perfect ones of the age.
They're at 29 years old. Joshua realized who he really was afterwards came some period of preparation by one of the perfect ones to bring the God man to balance knowledge of the illusory Creation in Jesus is life. This is the 40 days in the wilderness perhaps it was an actual 40 days perhaps more and Baba is life. It was the seven years work with Upasni Maharaj. The figure of 40 could also symbolize the fourth plane where the Avatar Jesus took his seat.
And which colored his mission as one of the Miracles or fourth plane powers, like raising the dead healing the sick giving sight to the blind each time the Avatar comes. He chooses one of the seven spiritual planes from which to manifest. Baba is said Buddha manifested from the fist plane and Mohammed from the sixth plane. He said he tell us where he Baba was stationed when he comes again and 700 years.
The ministry of Christ was for a very short time only. It is calculated to be no more than two years. Perhaps only one year. The turbulent times He lived in the violence and political suppression of the Jews their fevered expectation of Deliverance through the Messiah all created a background of very swift dramatic events.
The avatars timing is Baba says and as you quickly find out when you are around him is perfect in his life as Jesus the timing of each of his moves including the Miracles was perfect for his goal. Even his crucifixion was in a way perfectly time. For example, Baba said the miracles of Jesus were done to bring about His crucifixion. If you study the New Testament you will see this is so. It is the miracle of raising Lazarus from the dead the most dramatic of all that arouse the immunity of the Jewish priesthood or San*** it brought about his capture. The miracle was done only a short time before his betrayal, but there is a big gap in our knowledge of Jesus's life that no scholarship has yet uncovered. His childhood is known up to the time when his first taken up to Jerusalem to the temple and amazes the scholars there with his spiritual Knowledge from there on there is a blank page. So at the age of 29 or 30, he sought out St. John in the wilderness. Where was he? What was he doing? Was he just a carpenter and his father Joseph shop. Was he married? Did he study to be a rabbi? He was always called Rabbi in later years. This necessitates study of the scriptures where there's Elders was he a member of the essence a mystical set of Jesus which lived a very strict religious life especially in caves in the desert. Baba said, he would explain much about the life of Jesus in his yet undiscovered book, but he threw out a few hints in visiting Banaras the holy city of India Baba said he had been there is Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, and now Baba the Jesus travelled to India during the unknown years. There are esoteric Traditions that he did also that he contacted the essenes remember there were five perfect Masters living at the time. We know only one St. John the Baptist. It's a rational guess that Jesus had contact with one or more of the other four.
Perhaps one or more we're connected with the *** perhaps the others were located in Persia Afghanistan Rishikesh or Benares in India. The perfect ones have always been located in these areas just as they are today.
Baba contacted all five of the perfect ones who brought him down into Incarnation Hazart Babajan, Tajuddin Baba, Upasni Maharaj, Sai Baba and Narayan Maharaj at least we know Jesus must have met the hierarchy on inner plane meetings. There is some hint of that in the New Testament when the disciples saw him with Elijah and Moses at His side.
The most striking thing about the life of Jesus is it's in the crucifixion just as the most striking thing about Baba was his silence or the renunciation was for Buddha under the bodhi tree.
The classic New Testament Story begins with Jesus betrayal by Judas but Baba told us in Myrtle Beach in 1952 that Judas had the hardest job of all to do to obey Christ order to betray him and that he obtained realization like the rest.
If you read the gospels, you'll see that Jesus tells Judas at the Last Supper go thou and do what thou must do quickly it. Also it always used to interest me that though this was reported by other disciples it was never considered as an order from the master.
Baba tells us all 12 of his inner circle receive realization. So this must have included Judas who acted so to speak under a veil. In fact some Scholars question if he really did commit suicide but only rushed out to the desolate area, which was called in those times the field of suicide.
In every way both by its timing and it's point-counterpoint action. It is clear. The crucifixion was planned by the Avatar as the culminating Act of his life as Jesus.
Baba says we suffer for our Karma Saints sometimes suffer for the karma of others, but the God-Man suffers for all Humanity the Avatar Ram suffered 14 years of persecution and exile. Zoroaster was persecuted and killed Buddha was mocked by his fellow teachers and attacked by a group led by his cousin Muhammad was forced out of Mecca and persecuted by his own family clan.
There are visible physical these are visible physical sufferings, but the mental and spiritual suffering of the Avatar is constant and intense and only sustained by his infinite Bliss.
In the Life of Christ his suffering was the ultimate crucifixion and death.
Baba sitting in that very chair. You see now in our Center said in 1956 placing his two index fingers in a cross. I am the Christ undoubtedly an added that only his infinite bliss sustained him in his suffering.
Baba revealed to his disciples as Elizabeth Patterson records in her diary that the body of Jesus was taken to India and buried on a hilltop near Rishikesh. It was supposedly taken to India by Saint Bartholomew and St. Thomas. The legend that t. Thomas visited Goa in India and made early Christian converts there is well established. There is even more direct legendary tales of Christ coming to India alive, but very ill after the crucifixion and being buried near Rishikesh several books and a recent film go into the evidence. Tourists are even shown a Tomb of Jesus near Rishikesh, but it is not where Baba pointed to when Elizabeth was there. In my archives I have diaries that cover the day-to-day activities of the ashram of Baba during nineteen twenty-six. Twenty-seven. Twenty-eight. One morning Baba gave a very remarkable discourse stating He did not die on the cross but lived and went to India.
I have asked Meherjee who was a teacher in the ashram at that time to authenticate this fact and he did so on tape.
This is standing fact if true would shake Christianity to its foundations as the death and resurrection of Christ is the Cornerstone of its Faith but a very fine researcher into the life of Jesus Dr. Sharon fell who spent his whole life on the subject came to the same conclusion and wrote it up in his book 'The Passover Plot' without any knowledge or belief in the Divinity or even the fourth plane in powers of the man Jesus. He concludes that Jesus timed his capture and crucifixion exactly so that he might survive it bodily. He was crucified on a Friday beginning around 2 p.m. And therefore his body would have to be taken down before nightfall in order not to violate the Sabbath Eve. Therefore he would be on the cross only a few hours instead of the usual agony of several days.
Dr. Shane felts theory is Jesus plan to revive and by his resurrection so startled the Jews that he would be able to lead them to freedom, political freedom, of course.
But that Jesus's frail body revives and then collapsed he goes into the details of his burial and so on to prove it it is his explanation of the Disappearance of the actual body, the empty tomb, and the grave cloth lying there.
After His death Jesus appeared to his disciples over 30 times in such a solid fashion that he ate with them at a malice and that Saint Thomas the doubter probe his wounds.
Of course knowing the powers of the Avatar or even other perfect Masters the resurrection or recovery of a severely wounded body or even a medically dead body is not beyond possibility.
And the estimated three hours on the cross might not have been fatal. Ordinary yogis have done similar incredible feats surviving without food water or oxygen underground for many months.
Hazart Babajan was buried alive and appeared later in Puna hale and hardy. Upasni Maharaj lived in a cave without food or water for over a year. A medical miracle.
But if we believe beloved Baba did survive His crucifixion, why did he do it? Obviously, it was a willed act of the God-Man. Dr. Seinfeld's idea is correct that the drama of the Resurrection was a planned act to attract attention and secure a following but not as he thought of political following. It was an act that emphasize one spiritual fact their survival of bodily death. These were pagen times. The old gods were on the wane. Greco-Roman ideas of death were very vague in those days. And in the Jewish tradition, there was as today very little emphasis on any real life after death.
The plain facts of continuous birth and death of continuous incarnation in a human form was not current in the Mideast. Christ did not teach reincarnation openly but he taught at least one part of it the survival of death by his very dramatic appearance after his own death real or apparent.
In ages to come this incredible event revolutionized man's thinking about life after death. It also was of great support in the immediate future of his followers many of whom had to suffer persecution and death at the hands of their enemies. It's easier to die if you think you will be reunited at once with your beloved Master. Baba said his body was carried to India by his disciples when I first heard this long ago I asked myself how could this be done? Carry a corpse on a long slow journey through hot desert country. But a severely wounded man could be carried that far perhaps in a litter as was usual in those days. The legends of Kashmir, especially those of a manuscript kept in an ancient Buddhist temple there speak of the severely wounded man Jesus as being brought there by his disciples and recovering to live and teach and heal in India.
Why is it then after his crucifixion that Baba is Jesus travelled to Banaras and stood on its banks, or was he there as a young boy?
We must wait for 700 years or until the famous book appears to know the answer. Actually though. It made shake-up Christians. It matters little. The real message of Christ was love that God is love and love - so he has not ordained death for any man.
Until our real final death and him at the moment of God realization.
In the 30s Baba told Jean Adriel who asked him about it that the famous Shroud of Turin was real that it was the grave cloth of Christ. It has been studied by scientists and in some ways already authenticated by its material its weave and by the special ancient pollens on it and so on. The marks of the wounds are in the exact place has spoken of in the Bible. It has not been carbon dated yet, that would be the final touch. But what is so mysterious is that the image on the cloth is not painted on or died. It is in some inexplicable way burned into the cloth as if by some unknown radiant energy or force.
It could be the willed Act of the avatar the use his incredible powers of the fourth plane to resurrect his own body and that this burst of energy left a lasting impression on the cloth. It was a cloth that merely covered the body back and front. It was not the winding cloth usually strips used to bind a corpse. That is an interesting fact to. The actual Body of Christ was never found anywhere in Judea. According to Baba it is buried on a Hilltop in Rishikesh India. This fact does not dim in any way the tremendous sacrifice of Jesus and going to Golgotha and suffering on the cross for the sins of mankind. He is as always Redeemer and savior and the spiritual leader of mankind.
Yes, well, that's that's what I thought even before I had these archives and is amazing. I was just reading through them one day and I was an immense amount of material and I just got this real startled that coming out and then when I heard of Meherjee coming, I did ask him because he's the the only person who was an adult at that time. Aloba was a student, you know the boy in the ashram but nobody else is still alive from the ashram days.
Now especially Pendu's gone but I was going to say is maybe this board is a little bit on the on the occult side, but I do have a real strong memories of that time. I know that I must have been alive at the time of Jesus and many many of the Baba people today I feel we're there and they seem to have that feeling. I remember we had a wonderful cook that cooked for Elizabeth, and then the Anna T*** and she had very clear memories of of being in the audience when Jesus gave his talk on the mountain the Sermon on the Mount and she had such a strong Devotion to Jesus and she never could quite see Baba as a return of Jesus, you know, if you're a real devout Christian, it's probably maybe a little difficult no matter how you Revere Baba and she had this wonderful dream three times she had this dream.
She's in the audience watching Jesus give his talk and then Baba walks up the hill toward Jesus and then they blend together and become one and then she'd wake up and she had this dream three times so impressively and it just made all the difference to her. You know that she could feel it Baba was this real exact return of Jesus.
It's a very very difficult point perhaps some questions to see that Baba. Is that same God-Man come again. I may be a difficult for the maybe it will be difficult for the Jews or the Mohammedans because they have very particular ideas about the Messiah or the return of Mohammad. It doesn't seem so difficult for Hindus and knows that Krishna does say when the wick of righteousness burns low I come again to be the savior of mankind and also the Buddha said I will come again and my name will mean compassion that you know Meher Baba's -that's exactly what it means.
Compassionate father and even Baba as a small boy the one thing he did have a flash that he was Buddha. So even under this veil of sanskara's Yoga Yoga sanskaras that the five perfect ones put over the Avatar he did have a flash.
And of course the legends about the childhood of Jesus, but we don't really know what went on but there has been this esoteric tradition of his traveling to India and through Egypt to and some books to learn the wisdom of the East but as little as I do say about my memories, I just want to describe how Baba looked how Jesus looked and I'm looking now at this beautiful picture.
That shows Baba and his young years and in fact if I recall correctly. I don't know whether it was Margaret or one of those women who were with Baba and he's they did ask him how to Jesus look and he said that he looked very much like Baba did in his younger years like I am now, Baba said and of course they knew him in his 30s and this pictures, especially the one over my couch here is so much like Jesus. I mean you could hardly imagine that you wouldn't see Jesus as that. He had a reddish hair and this has been authenticated in that one mention of him and Josephus the Jewish historian that he had red hair and very very white skin and sort of a grey blue eye and he had a very strong profile like Baba has and he was thin and very wiry like Baba and when I first saw Baba of walking with his long stride, if you could see how Baba walks a beautifully in the early movies, you know, they say it's a peculiar thing that the stride the walk of a person who's very very individual. In fact police say that they can recognize you can't disguise your walk. This is a very characteristic thing. And when I saw Baba a walk, I just felt that was the Walk of Jesus very hard, you know, like a memory clicking and your head in certain moments and I looked at Baba. It was just so clear, you know, it's the same as people too, but they look like their past lives and Baba it does certainly in his earlier days Baba was Jewish looking. Yes. He was Persians in this life of Jewish and that much.
Not the Nordic blondes you say that people have painted him and actually they say that the Nazarenes in this small village of Nazareth the Jewish people there they're all interrelated. They do even today have that peculiar fair skin light eyes and red hair and an interesting thing in these legends about Baba and Kashmir that there are many Jewish names there and a group of people that have similar looks that is fair redheaded Semitic looking people but they go on and on but what it's for what it's worth, but it is interesting just to feel that presence of Jesus in Baba especially like the moment I do remember here in Hollywood. I was sitting right next to Baba in that chair and he said I am the Christ undoubtedly.
And I guess it was there. It's his voice that you hear but it's like Baba's voice. And yes, and of course in that vision that I had in the temple of Ramakrishna it says written up where I saw this man come out on the platform.
And the voice of Ramakrishna off to the side saying he is your Jesus and I saw this man with a reddish long hair and the very dynamic jesters and eyes looking like Jesus but also later but I discovered Baba looking exactly like Mohammad and his younger days. It was a very dynamic experience and I heard him.
This vision of Baba as Jesus. I heard him in the original Aramaic saying the first lines of The Sermon on the Mount.
And I thought that was amazing how I had just by Baba's Grace maybe but I did feel also a somehow a memory and that's what Baba is saying that we if we devoted to him we have links with him we are drawn back to him when he comes again, and I think that's the that's Grace because out of this mass of seething humanity. He know how much chance you get to be with the Avatar. It is that link coming from many many lives of contact and even casual content you think of all those Bible stories of people who passed him on the road or gave him a drink of water or who knows what that brings them back to Baba his presence again when he comes again. I remember Don Stevens saying this is a new fact for all of us. He remembered that that Baba said when he's the Avatar in the body he decides then who shall meet him in his next Avatar appearance.
So if we met him now as Baba then Baba had decided that when he was Mohammad and when he was Baba, then he's decided already who's going to meet him when he is whatever he is going to be next to so it's so he's like planning these intimate contacts on a basis way ahead of us in the future and I'm sure that all of us are now in this room worshipping Baba,thinking of Baba, that's a link that will bring us back to him at this very important time when it comes to him and I'm sure that he'll be born in the Middle East. I think it's just the way the Avatar always is. I don't feel it he'll be born in the West.
So wherever it will be and whatever the new map will be there because as Baba explained why the masters are there, the Saints are there, the most Jews always interesting Advanced Souls because the Earth there is linked closely with the Om point of creation and to understand that more you should read God's Speaks that's a plug now for reading thoughts today and the life of the Avatar. It's like it's just like a place where like a mine where all the jewels are, you know, it's just one place on Earth, but the jewels are and you can't argue about it. You have to travel to wear the jewelry.
And so probably Baba's birth will be there again. An interesting thing about the star of that was seeing, you know, the legend of the star many people wondered about that the astrologist figure out that it probably was a very special configuration that they understood that meant that Jesus, the Avatar was born and not that it was some particular bright Nova. Other scientists say it's very possible that one of those Nova's explodes for a short time or millions of miles away. But it makes a very bright light another occult explanation is that it's something you see inwardly you see the aura of the child the Christ of the Avatar This brilliant brilliant light. You see so some favorite people saw their and again about the time of his birth He really wasn't born supposedly at Christmas at all. He was born probably now right now and watch because in Judea, it's very cold in the winter and they don't keep the Sheep out on the hills like that. So it would be springtime.
It was right and that would mean that all these things, you know who just esoteric things but like Baba was born in February that Christ is born in March and Buddha was born in May. So it's like it's going backwards which is the idea of the equinoxes going backwards and say so so the next time Baba is born in might be born in January, so I guess the reason why we it's celebrated on Christmas. Is that a pagan holiday for God knows how long thousands of years was celebrated when the sun the Equinox the solar Equinox on December 23rd, you know light starts to come again the days get longer again, and it was celebrated all over by ancient races that equinoxes and solstices.
It was a very big pagan holiday and when people became Christians and they still had their very very favorite pagan holidays. They just threw them all together. So that the birth of Christ is in December really around the equinox. And the lot of the customers of Christmas are really Pagan Customs. For instance the Christmas tree is a pagan custom the worship the tree is a holy thing and they cut down the tree and it got tied up.
But with the idea of Christ a lot of those things are well known but it's interesting because they become beautiful l egends anyway, so I mean, what would we do without Christmas its wonderful. And as long as we celebrate God's birth and so they would talk about Christ and Mani would say, oh, yes, my brother's Christ and they'd all look at her, you know, like she's just what is this? Your brother is Christ.
I've heard that so amazing and she said yes he's Christ. It's interesting that she was so young that she was always growing up with Baba already realized already as the Avatar and this is charming story of Baba coming into their place where they were playing she and her girlfriend and he climbed up the ladder there and Mani describes that he says you're well, I'm in a good mood.
I'll grant any wish you want make a wish make a wish he said to the two girls little girls and one little girl her playmate said, oh I want to grow up and have a beautiful wedding and marry a very rich handsome young man and have a big wedding about Baba said hmmm that that's and then he looked at Mani and she said, oh I want to live with you. I want to come and live with you when I grow up. So, of course, we know that she grew up.
And did live with Baba and his girlfriend did grow up and did marry very handsome rich young man. And there was a giant beautiful wedding Mani was there as a guest but the girl like the fairytale hadn't asked all the right questions and the man passed away after a year of marriage.
Say so you gotta wish but it was not a complete.
As that's having Christ for a brother fantastic is soon. Well, they used to call him the Man of Sorrows. I don't know whether that name was actually given to him at his time of his life. But I remember reading so much literature. I always thought he must have had a wonderful sense of humor. And of course when I met Baba I said, well, of course, there's Baba was all his charm and his gaiety his love of humor. I
Really, you know that part hasn't been recorded in the New Testament. I mean the whole thing of the tragic end of his life must have kind of overshadowed the stories when they put them down and told and then they probably just I think that he did I think it just probably didn't get put down. No, I think probably he he did at times but as I said, the ministry of Jesus was very very quick very rapid and that also amazed me.
You see the story of how those first disciples suddenly accept him, you know, he calls them they calls Peter he calls calls them and they just give up everything and come. There's no no lingering know, you know those 12 men just because they had to you see he had only a short time to be with him. They didn't have years of training like Baba's men now Adi was with him for 55 years and Pendu and Ghani I was long years of association with him and they had to obey they had to just be right there, you know from their life as it was before right to The Obedience and following of him and they must have been very dazzled and puzzled at times, you know, but they just didn't have time to learn a great many things and very mysterious hints that were given because as Baba explained it as the Avatar can only give that much of his teaching to the people of the time.
Time that they're able to absorb and when you study the Jewish culture of that time which people have done over and over again. First of all, he didn't have the theory of of an avatar. They didn't have a theory of reincarnation, life after death, Masters, you know, it's all just very not in their way. So he couldn't really give lengthy explanations and esoteric things to his disciples. They just had to obey they had to accept they had to have faith.
And Christianity is still like that. You really don't you just accept you you accept Jesus and you're saved. It's not like you're going to go through a whole lot of understanding and explaining and you know, it's still like that because it started like that and the disciples were exemplary in that and there may have been hidden teachings that were lost or suppress people do as soon that too. But even so to those simple men probably illiterate he had to speak in Parables and to the people. He spoke in these wonderful teaching stories, which are like the Sufi teaching stories of the Middle East teaching stories are classic because you do speak to a population that doesn't have the literate education level and that's why Saint Paul is so different because he was an educated man who spoke Greek and Aramaic and probably Latin and he spoke on a totally different level and he gets two very different theological level. He brings you know always theological points the Trinity and all that and the Divinity of Christ and he you know, that's where you get more of the theology is from Saint Paul, but you get the love feeling from from the disciples that actually live with the stuff you see so much in the gospels when you know, Baba go back and read those gospels. It's fascinating because you feel Baba there and you you feel what sort of left out or hinted at as the way.
He may have dealt with people compare it to what we have a Baba. Well, I guess that's enough for this evening. Sorry. I can't be there to answer questions in the live audience. So Jai Baba again.
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