Dr. Hosang Barucha
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Hoshang Barucha God Speaks
[00:00:07] Today's question and answer meeting I think will restrict the God speaks. Am I audible now the seems yesterday or day before Eichmann was not horrible at the bank. Well, who do you want me to tell you all about God speaks or would you want to ask questions? What would you want?
[00:00:33] Paraphrase the whole thing. Put it into a small thing within 45 minutes. I've already lost 15 minutes.
[00:00:44] Well, you would be surprised to know that I got a telegram from Baba on the 4th of January 1956 that Baba was to arrive in my town on on the 29th of January. And on the fifth morning. I got the first copy of God speaks that arrived in India. I had told that it is send me the copy. Well as soon as I got this I never knew how difficult that book won't would be. I thought it would be like any of the other books. So I thought I read the whole book make a summary of it and read it out to Baba when he came on the 29th. Not even realizing that it's impossible to read that book within 20 days. Well somehow in addition to my medical work somehow. I read that book made a summary made of missing typed it out and kept it ready for Bob.
[00:01:31] Of course when Bob arrived there was no chance to read them some real to him, but I did give him the summary David is this well? I'm going to tell you something else at some right now.
[00:01:47] Try and think of a ocean just imagine an ocean and ocean is made up of millions and millions of drops. I'm going fast because we got finished since I would take three hours to explain gusting you would not have read that book again.
[00:02:08] But one time shot, so well just imagine an ocean is made up of drops you pick up a drunk from that ocean. It takes upon itself a shape and a form and therefore you call it a drop you put that drop back into the ocean if he comes the ocean itself. So in the ocean that drop does not exist as a dropper to take this as the ocean itself.
[00:02:31] Now try and imagine an infinite ocean ocean that exists everywhere. There is no Earth. No Universe has no galaxies. No nothing at all. Just trying to imagine an infinite ocean from that infinite ocean. If you pick up a drop and put it somewhere you would call it a drug and you put it back. It will become the ocean. But if that ocean is infinite, you cannot pick up a dropped to put it somewhere else. Otherwise that ocean would not be infinite. Is that clear?
[00:03:01] So if God is infinite all-pervading everywhere in space only God exists as Baba says God is infinite. So if God is infinite who are worrying that infinite God we are those drops in that infinite ocean of God and therefore we cannot exist as brujah Francoeur this for them. We must be one in that infinite ocean, but due to some sort of an ignorance. We feeling that I'm going to chain and Frank's is that right? So therefore Baba comes once again after 700 years each time reminding you I voice you and mr. Belcher. Um, Frank you are the ocean itself. It's something like an iceberg. This is all from Gus weeks that I'm telling you in that infinite ocean suppose the millions of drops that make up that infinite ocean. They see Iceberg huge eyes.
[00:04:00] And that Iceberg tells the drops. Hey little drops, you are not the drops where the ocean so, how can we be the ocean and you are just bigger than that? You are not the ocean and he said no the Ice Berg says the drop. I am the ocean. There's no it can't be and they have a big fight with the hell was I supposed to think we are the drops in use I suppose you're not the ocean and then I felt nervous and once the iceberg tremendous drops. He was indifferent. So that iceberg is Bob who comes up comes amongst us it tell us that I'm that infinite God and you are also as in if you remember in listen Humanity the sentence you and I are not we but one
[00:04:52] So one of the things that I am that infinite God come in the form of an iceberg in formal commands to tell you that you and I are one or we quarrel with him and we crucify him and we do this and do that and humiliate Baba. They do all sorts of things in our ignorance absolute ignorance.
[00:05:12] So this if you have this basic knowledge that nothing exists, but God and that we are all a part and parcel of that infinite ocean drug takes his very difference in so in that original state won't bother causes of beyond beyond state of God, which even a perfect Master cannot describe. Let's forget that because it is a his Republic Master cannot describe. I cannot describe their own. So then God gets a win in that state. Who am I a woman's women? You cannot say why he got the win women's just to win. I might get him to get out here right now. And that's the way so similarly God got a whim who am I and he guessed at him and immediately Baba says God became infinitely conscious that he was God and he became infinitely unconscious that he was not God now how could both these things if possible something could be infinite, but how could we also infinite and Unwin?
[00:06:12] And it is valises don't use your brain in there because these things you won't understand. So this is the initial part of that speak, which is very difficult to understand but what happens is as soon as the God God's that wind know himself, then the unconscious aspects of God wants to know that he is God and therefore to experience something he must take upon a shape and a form and so he comes in the form of the store.
[00:06:41] So who has become a stone? It's nothing but God himself takes upon a separate form so that he could fix up a little Consciousness. Now, you would say that the stone has no consciousness with and I'm just cutting it short because before the stone also there are many other stages like liquids semi liquids gases sending the gases. These are all in different stages but to understand it more clearly God takes upon himself the shape and form of a store and comes as a stone in order to get Consciousness. Now, how would you say that stone has of Consciousness? Well, the Consciousness is so subtle but goddesses. Yes. It has got it years back people didn't believe that plants had lied. Now definitely it proves that lands in life and that their Sun God in them that makes them move that makes them do this and that and that so even Stones someday science will be able to find out that we've missed.
[00:07:41] His life but it's in a very very subtle form. So God himself takes upon a form of a stone in order to get experience and he guessed some scars or impression. I am a black stone and white stone. I'm a diamond. I'm a ruby and emerald amethyst as so different since kinds come on his Stone and as the sun scars command, it's God the soul resonance curve and with the gaining of the samskaras Consciousness develops.
[00:08:12] So why did God come into the form of a stone in order to gain Consciousness to know that he was God himself now in the stone species of their millions and millions of type of species. Well God passes to all of them and finally becomes what is called metal, you know how the transition address you go to a metal mind and you will find out that from tons and tons of stone they wash it and clean it and do all sorts of processes and the bring out a little metal. So the transition from Stone to metal is so very my new it takes years years and years and years. So anyway, the next form that God takes upon is that for method and then what passes for different species of metals in this and goes to work all other metals healing experiences gaining some scars and at the same time developing his consciousness.
[00:09:06] The Consciousness is being developed a little more then from the stone to the metal metal to the vegetable. Now, this is something you would write to figure out. How can the metal become a vegetable?
[00:09:20] This a try. So Baba says the link is the coral. You know what the coral is. It's as hard as Stone and yet it has nice. The coral is the link between the metal and the vegetables.
[00:09:34] The car looks like a vegetable. It looks like a plan and yet it isn't a client. It's a pizza hybrid between the metal and the West so then comes the vegetable Kingdom. So God passes through all the different species of vegetables in order to become more conscious and at the same time it gains more and more samskaras. So with the gain of samskaras the Consciousness is being developed. So that's the vegetable Stone metal vegetable dishes before fish between vegetable and fish out. How does the widget will become a fish suddenly? Well, the the link is worms reptile. These are the links insects using grasshoppers on trees. They look so green. They look as if you cannot unless you see carefully you won't even live in able to know that there is a rash of a sitting on a tree it's so green and perfectly like the truths of so these are the transitions of worms between somet electrical and fish between fish and vegetables you get
[00:10:34] These reptiles insects. These are the transition between watch tables and and Fishers then God gets into the fish.
[00:10:46] Age and it gets more impression that gets more consciousness.
[00:10:51] Consciousness is being developed more and more and more from then vegetable to burst vegetable fish because you seen many fishes flying in the air also. So when the transition from fish to bird is not very difficult to understand. So first from Birds goes further Stone metal vegetable fish birds and mammals.
[00:11:13] Now the first animal the transition between a bird and an animal is the kangaroo. Kangaroo is the first animals to perform and then the other species so God is passing through all these different species of animals vegetables this and that in order to gain Consciousness. But at the same time it's developing more samskaras or impressions.
[00:11:36] So he passes through the whole Animal Kingdom and the last three animals that you know, our boss the dogs and monkeys the monkeys. The last before him is the dog the dog is so intimate with men because he soon to become a monkey and from the monkeys going to become a man you seen many people who look like monkeys itself. Thanks, and there are many monkeys that look like men. So so the transition is a monkey the Apes the Apes looks so much like me and at least I've seen number in mind Professionals in number of men who look like - so so evidently that fellow's just come from the monkey to the man says could be anyway. So God has passed through all these seven stages in order to gain Consciousness, but at the same time it's gaining also.
[00:12:37] Now with the green of Impressions, the green of Consciousness has become more and more and more till the first human beings is born as soon as the first human beings form from the monkey. Then Consciousness is hundred percent developed. As soon as Consciousness is hundred percent develop that Consciousness should Enlighten that soul that you are God but on the contrary what happens is that Consciousness and lightens that soul that you are man why because of the curtain of some Stars?
[00:13:11] So just try and imagine about a light bulb the bulb is the sole around it all the wrappings of the difference in scars that it has gained during its process that Lucian and the Consciousness is there but the Consciousness cannot Enlighten that soul that it is God because of the wrapping of subscribers.
[00:13:33] So this is the first part of God speaks the evolution process from Stone tomb and that's the evolution process now comes the second process which is called The Reincarnation process reincarnation is birth death birth date of men and Bone man who won it goes on and on and on and on and on why because that's soul wants to remove this inspires only the some scars are removed. Then the Consciousness will at once enlightened. That's all that yoga. You're not human being so many passes through this birds and less version that's in order to remove the sense guys. But as Baba says you try to remove some scar by the front door. It enters by the back door. For example, he gives an example. I'm fond of eating mango ice cream. Just Breathe.
[00:14:23] So I eat a mango ice cream and therefore I cut off my since Kyra of eating a mango ice cream. But at the same time say, oh, wow. God must have it again immediately a new samskaras created to eat ice cream. So to remove some scars is an impossible test. It's absolutely you try to remove one you get an another one might get into so it's extremely difficult to remove the some scars. So well, then gets into the cycle of births and deaths now what birth and death every time somebody is born in your family you feel so happy and everybody so happy and on the everything back home. They are I don't know about you. So so over there everybody feels and specially for son is born to a Hindu family. Gosh, it's all just it's all just enjoyment and there they distribute sweets and the Distributors and that and all that.
[00:15:24] If it's a girl they don't do anything. So that's back home. Now. What is this birth and death? We must realize this why am I telling you the details of this is because when somebody dies in our family, we always been so upset and there's always crying and tears and this and that and all that rigmarole that goes behind death. But mother says that death is really beneficial to use
[00:15:57] Wow, because what happens after that you see a person dies. Bob says what size is the body gets separated from the soul. Now what goes with the soul with the soul goes the samskaras and the consciousness?
[00:16:15] Of course, I haven't told you that during the evolution process besides this gross body. The subtle body is also developed and the mental bodies on sexuality which in the form of animals in the mental bodies in the form of instinct and the subtle body is nothing but the body that gives you the energy to do things.
[00:16:34] So the subtle body and mental body are already there from the stone developing very slowly and in the human being they are developed completely. What is the mental body is your mind nothing but the mind and what is the Mind mind is nothing but the storeroom of all this millions of some scars that's your mind in simple language. And so when you die, what happens is the soul is always there the soul cannot the samskaras that are left behind are their Consciousness is there the subtle body is there and mental bodies there. So the mental body is an accumulation of all your subscribers and that drives you on to another birth again and the subtle body is the one that gives you the energy to take another girl. Now what happens between death and the first between that time you are in a in a place called while the West believes something like hell and heaven. That's all there's nothing like hell
[00:17:34] Remember this Baba says and God speaks that hell and heaven are not places. They are states of experiences of Joy or suffering in the subsidy spheres.
[00:17:48] You know, this is the gross World there is a subtle world and there is a meant by the sudden world is here. The mental world is also here. It is not that the subtle world is somewhere far away and the mental World Is Still further away. It's not it's all here. You got only experience so between the gross and subtle there is something called the substrata Spheres.
[00:18:11] So after you die, the soul leaves that stays within that vicinity of the body that is in that family for only three days on the fourth day. That's all separates away completely from the connections. It had in the gross world and goes into what is called. The subsurface fear there according depending on the goodies are the bad leaves that it had done It suffers in the good in the hell heaven state or it enjoys in heaven state or is suffers in the Hills you get that for just to give you an example supposing a man dies with hundred good deeds and fifty bad days. So as soon as he dies, that's all after three days goes into the subsurface fear and that soul is shown like it's like a film he sees his whole life sketch again drawn on the screen of his Consciousness where he sees all the good and the bad Deeds that he's done and
[00:19:10] He has done fifteen more Good Deeds while he enjoys them that I've done so much good and therefore he can be said to be in heaven state if he has done hundred bad deeds and only 50 Good Deeds while he's going to stop were in that state when it is Paula hand-stitched and how long will this go on until 50? 51 almost they become one equal immediately. He'll take an Uber Baba says if the neutralize each other immediately he gets liberated, but without the body you can never get Liberation. You have to get Liberation only in the body. Therefore this can never neutralize itself in the subsidies fears. So therefore you enjoy or suffer in the hell of the heavens State depending on your good or bad deeds and you come back as soon as it comes to 50 51. This is just an example. So you get reborn again and again you experiences in scars. The 50/50 one that is a hundred one that you
[00:20:10] But experience you experience them and at the same time you create a new instance guys, and this goes on and on and on and on.
[00:20:17] Now you must have heard a lot of people like the psychics one of these psychics. Yes, there are some small talk and they want to discuss then but these sites are one they can contact souls in the subsurface fear who have not yet got another body and they can contact them and get messages from them. Now some of these psychics who get these messages from the sub subtle souls in the subsurface fear. Well, they may be good for those who are giving some good messages. They could be bad Source giving that message wrong socks. So I would definitely not rely on a psychic. Why not Believin Bob and accept Bob only. Why going in for these mediums, I have met a number of people who have been doing this contacting spirits in the other in the sub solid spheres and giving answers and giving this next it doesn't work out at all. There's no sense for it. Absolutely not sensitive because why should you contact?
[00:21:17] These these there for all you know, if it's a good spirit can guide you correctly and if it's a bad spirit that comes inside you're done with so and what are these ghosts?
[00:21:28] Who's are real things? Actually, they are real things. What happens is that some Souls after that. There is another body called the astral body which remains only for a very short time after death. But these goes our souls who have a great attachment of work and they do not give up this this Astro shape what is called besides the subtle and the mental this Astro sheath and therefore they gravitate to the Earth and they show they come and show and stand in front of you like forms in that astrology and that's what you see and you feel fight ghosts are real things or they are souls who have not been able to break their Astro seed and get off into the subsurface here. They are in the Loomis part of the subsurface fears because of their craving for certain cravings, and these are the people who are usually those who have committed sin.
[00:22:29] Or have died with great expectations of great listing attachments in the world. These are the people who become these ghosts ghosts are real thing and I can tell you the number of stories of how it goes is the trouble Baba at night time. That's a completely different subject. I don't want to discuss it.
[00:22:47] But these goes is to come and trouble father like hell and the trouble the manly also because the money you would see them and they get frightened about it. This happened even nightmares that I know that because I've been there anyway, so you understood now, what is birth what is death? So death is nothing but your actually advancing on the spiritual path because you are seeing retrospectively your whole life and therefore knowing what you should have done and what you have done and therefore in your life next life you have definitely proved. So at the time of death, don't cry, that's what box is very very important. Don't grind don't whale and by the way for your for your information back home. There are professional Reapers not sweepers weepers. They are call when somebody dies in the family. They are called they paid for it and they comment cry and beat the
[00:23:47] Just like anything you would think that that Jessel burst open, you know and the more you pay them the more the crime.
[00:23:54] These are professional weepers is something fantastic to see that really I don't know. I don't know whether it's there in the west. But at least we have these professional weepers over there, but this is absolutely nonsense. Why because Bob says if You Weep and cry what happens is that's soul, which is getting disentangle from the environment over here. It has greater difficulty in separating out. So do not drive on the contrary for the first three days. If you pray then that's all easily. This entangles itself from here and goes away to the subsurface weird and prayers also should be done by the family members or the loved ones because you will do it with your heart back home. We call freeze who pray for them and they are people who are paid for that breath. And therefore they are not going to pray from the heart. They are just going to pray because
[00:24:51] You want to say something?
[00:24:53] Yes.
[00:24:57] Just think about Baba just think of Baba really and that will definitely help that man to separate out from here. No or whatever bear you've been doing you believing in Jesus if you being priced or anybody else it matters for little as long as a prayer, you know, the definition of a prayer as bother defines prayer prayer is a spontaneous appreciation of God.
[00:25:22] Whatever name you take its installed material. It's a spontaneous appreciation of God not set prayers or regular prayers or I don't want to go on that stuff any prayer as long as it's done from the heart it helps that soul to disentangle itself from here. So we are getting entangled in The Reincarnation process. Let's get out so births and deaths births and deaths this goes on and on and on but then what time until you meet your perfect match.
[00:25:53] Or you meet a phony messenger?
[00:25:56] Even if you meet a phony Master you are going to win why because there is a discourse given by Baba in 1958 at the Myrtle Beach service. It's called optimized sense read that is cause I'll tell you in which short what then discourses it is then suppose. I believe that Frank is a god realized person and I go and bow down to him with all my love and devotion and he accepts my love and devotion. Then I am playing the winning game because I'm passing on mice and stars, but he's playing the losing him because he's not perfect.
[00:26:32] If he was a perfect Master, he'd be able to absorb all my passions cars but since he's not perfect he is going to play a losing game. He's going to suffer for all the needs and all the bad things that I've done. He's getting it on to him. Now. How long will this go on? This is the discourse very shortly. I'm telling you until one time supposing you die. And you don't know then that man is really not God realize in a perfect man. Then you have won. They won the game you going to next birth and you definitely improve on the spiritual path, but supposing while I am alive. I realized that Frank is a croak. He is not a real perfect Master then what happens is over the years all the sons cars which have been passing on to him. We'll come back rebound back on me immediately and once like sledgehammer and that's the time when I will commit suicide or something will go extremely wrong with me because all yes.
[00:27:33] Yes.
[00:27:35] Yes.
[00:27:37] Yes. Yeah, so therefore beware of going to sings. I remember years back. We are drifting from God speak just because of that question years back. I didn't want to say that they somebody was asking some questions but years back Baba every day in the morning would repeat a worse from Saint tukaram took on was a god realization and every day in the morning. One of the Monday would have to repeat that particular worse and in which it says the sum and substance is do not go through any sense. Why Baba gave me an example. He says suppose I tell you brucha don't eat any food on so and Saturday gonna try this goes well on a Friday supposing a saint comes into my town and I go to say well, I'm devoted to Baba course, but there's nothing wrong in my going to a stranger anyway get his blessings. So suppose I go to that st. And the same fix up.
[00:28:37] The president gives it to me and says eat what happens? I'm caught between the devil and the teacher because Bob has sent don't eat on a fried. I've gone to that st. On a Friday. So if I disobey that st. And I don't eat it while I am I'm getting his Rock his anger on me. So I'm losing their if I eat it. I've lost my father's order. So you're saying the losing game complete their for Baba says tukaram says if you must go to a saint go and bow down from a distance and get out don't get involved. This is exactly every day in the morning. Bob would make a sweetie repeat the sentence.
[00:29:20] That's not the way now. Yes.
[00:29:35] Well if he realizes it in a shot like that or if he realizes it slowly then he'll take back his sons are slowly. But if at the same time he's got connected to a perfect master or you're directing that man to Baba. Then the trouble will not arise because then all the sudden scars which come unto him in a Flash will be passed on to Baba. Yes. Another thing. I'm again. I'm again detouring a little it's similarly. Baba has said that for a medical man. Also you see supposing he is to suffer for four days some pain in the abdominal and he comes to me for treatment and I treat him into this. Well, he has got the since cars for two days left over for suffering. So those two two days since cars and taking on myself as a doctor and
[00:30:28] Now what happens is if I treat 400 patients a day, can you imagine the load that I am taking on my head? But because I am already connected to a perfect Master. It's something like Baba says, you know house if you got a wash basin and and it's connected to a drainage somewhere outside. It's all right, because the water will not come into your if it's not connected to a drainage all the water is going to come in the house and make it horrible. So connect yourself to a big drainage and that's the perfect Master you're connecting to yes.
[00:31:02] The organisms cars positively they are definitely gaining some scarves.
[00:31:07] Yeah, even though they are doing good work. They are gaining some scars. I'll tell you this what happens to them. We are on God speaks. They are definitely gaining some scars. So anyway, I'm out of it because I'm connected to Baba some passing on everything on their form taking from here and passing on their so while we are in this cycle of births and deaths but it's going so fast it and is there something wrong with that baby? Yes. Yes.
[00:31:43] Yeah, that's right, but somebody might feel sleepy here while you're at liberty to go.
[00:31:49] Well this cycle of birth and death goes on and on you understood what his birth was his death now. So therefore do not whale when somebody is born and do not be very happy when somebody is born do not fail when somebody's dead sorry and do not be very happy when somebody is born. It's just a normal process is just a normal process. So this is birds in there. So this is the second part of God speaks The Reincarnation process then comes the third process the in Lucy. This is the most interesting part of the whole book really it is interesting because all this is we pass through all this we don't have to bother about the past Evolution and really finished with all that we are in our last birth with Baba we are in our last but that's definite currently. So we are all going to get Liberation not God realization that there's a difference between two walls. Anyway, so now comes the involution process. What is the solution process you going inside now all this time, you've been going on and on now.
[00:32:49] Go inside now. It's so beautifully described in dance fix this no other books have described as half as has described as so many of the Persian poets have described it, but they described it in Parables. It's never like half is when he says I can hear the camel bells ringing actually. He's talking on first place. So these are all variables which we cannot understand what it means but how Barbara has perfectly put it in hand so that the scientific man can understand what the Aleutian processes well now we are going to what's called Innovation supposing the console lots and lots of births and deaths and finally come to a perfect master. So as in listen Humanities, there is a sentence the moment you put your head on the seat of a perfect Master the death knell of your son's cars is Saturday.
[00:33:39] So he takes care of her since cars now and you are now going into the English process. If you have met a perfect Master lucky, if you even if you have made a phony follow keep your face on the him till the end very end. Otherwise you're going to suffer. So now what is the solution process? It's it's with the same body with the same mind you're going to experience certain other things what is called the subtle world? And then the mental world the subtle world has got only three planes.
[00:34:11] The mental world has got to and between them. There is a junction called the fourth plane. So the first three plane belong to the subtle world. The fourth is a junction and then the fifth and the sixth is the mental world. Yes. So now what happens how will you know that you have involve yourself and got onto the first plane. When you experience three things, please note that you have gone on to the first plane. What are the first three things? I had tell you like a school teacher. You know, the first thing is you see Divine sighs second. You hear the Divine sounds and the third you smell Divine sense. These are the three things that you experience on the first plane of the subtle world. Am I audible again there at the bank Frank, huh?
[00:35:04] A little louder
[00:35:06] So when you experience these three things Divine Sons Divine sense and divine Divine sounds Divine sites and divine smell sounds that are not here. Remember that. It's not some loudspeaker somewhere player blaring away. And you hear that in said, oh, I'm hearing something that many people have gone to this. I know my on my last visit or here in La I know somebody in Hollywood said he was on the sixth plane and he was hearing all this and all that rubbish, you know. Well anyway, forget it. So these are the you see these are delusions on the facts because Bob has explained this Y is what is the mm I'll tell you at the end. What is the importance of knowing God speaks because you don't get deluded on the back supposing you hear some sounds or you see line sense are seeing the wind size or you smell you don't get diluted don't think that's the end of the whole journey while the journey is far away. It's
[00:36:06] Far away still very far away. So we haven't even finished the first journey the first journey ends on the from Stone 27 slain, so we are on the first journey still, you know, so when you experience these three things then you can be said to be experiencing the subtle world now, it's something like somebody there is the subtle world. Is it somewhere about down below? Nobody explains it so nicely. He says suppose you have a radio and you tune it to New York at once you will get the sound of what is happening there at the New York radio station, but if you didn't have the radio your years were not capable of getting to that frequency. And therefore you cannot hear what is going on at the radio station New York. So the radio waves from New York are already here, but you are not in a capacity to accept them or to receive them accepting through the medium of radio similarly.
[00:37:06] The subtle world is also here, but you are not in a capacity to experience them because you are not come to up to the stage. So once you have your samskaras get cleared out slowly and slowly you come to experience this at work. Now, even before you can come onto the subtle world. You can start doing some small on subtle world is the plains of energy and therefore you can work Small Miracles. Like I've seen so many of these these tricksters we're not pals who do lot of these magic tricks enough tricks spiritual tricks, like, you know, the transport the body from one place to another without anything. I met one person that then he just said I'm going somewhere. So, how do you go and how are you going to have you got a reservation? He said we don't need reservations and he just he just you know, so these are tricks which they can do even before they come on the first plane. They are nearing the first plane then they can read books. There are you know a closed book you give up close book?
[00:38:06] And he on page numbers on so he'll tell you what's exactly going on on first page or a second page or any page on that book. These are small things because he's getting the subtle energy of God now subtle world is the world of energy and therefore he's experiencing these small. He can work Small Miracles or you can become very light or you can become very heavy. I know of another man also, he was a saint I met this very things they need to know thin body and then some to have to follow as you know, big followers who could do a lot of wrestling came along and they sort of he wanted to reduce the ego. So he says just pick me up and take me please to have two colors could lift him up.
[00:38:44] Because he made his body Haley. So these are small tricks on the past which you can do, but for God's sake don't get involved in them. If you get these Powers don't use keep them outside for time being at least no, he'll bother advices you to use them. So don't use these bars. Otherwise what happens is you get distracted or not. You leave your track and get aside. So on the first plane, he experiences three things on the second plane. He experiences these sites. These sounds these this much more than on the first plane besides that he can work. Very good bigger Miracles big Americans like supposing there is a tree that's dead. This is let leaves come on it and the leaves come on or there's a well which is absolutely dry. And he says let water come inside. He's bigger Miracles supposing. There's a lame man. He says come on and walk and he starts walking if there is a blind man, he can give him site bigger mirrors on the second place because he's getting the full energy of God third plane. He can work Rick.
[00:39:44] Very big Miracles much bigger than these but he must not get involved in this why because he get sidetracked. So these must switches in you read in the papers. So many of these must there on the Plains and the misuse the bars. In fact, just now there is somebody something in India who's on the fourth friend and he is misusing his pants too much and one day I asked baba, baba.
[00:40:21] On the fourth plane, but his progress has been stopped because of misuse of the Stars. This is exactly what probably so don't misuse your powers. Otherwise, you do not progress further. So third plane when it comes to the fourth plane the fourth plane. He has the full energy of God. He can create a new world. He can destroy this whole world. You can create a new universe if he wants to he has the full power of God, but God has that man if he misses his that
[00:40:53] Because from that he's thrown down straight down to the storage unit in the millions and millions of years through which he had passed through his thrown down from the Portland to the storm the Palace of this happens, very rarely. Why because the perfect Masters were there at that time they control his mind. They don't let him fall unless the perfect Master is a jalali type. Jalali type is a like a fighter cock, you know, he wants to fight with everybody. He says nature is that though? He's perfect but he's got a hot temper. So if that sort of a perfect Master is taking care of that stole it.
[00:41:31] Master is that Jelani claim? It's a long time is a like a fighter cock, you know, he wants to fight with everybody in his nature. Is that so he's perfect but he's got a hot temper. So if that sort of a perfect Master is taking care of that stole. He might throw him down, but this rarely happens.
[00:41:50] So thank God we got a Barbara was a very compassionate father so that he's not going to throw it back in spite of all our mistakes and all our shortcomings every time he and his once told us the weaknesses of all the outdoors and that all the others have a weakness and viruses my weakness. I'll tell you after 700 years when I come back and I feel that weakness is that he forgave too many times, even though we committed the same called a hundred times.
[00:42:30] So I think that's his weakness good for us anyway, so anyway, this is the fourth plane. So now the subtle world is finished. Now, we come onto the Ninja World. The mental world has got only two planes the 5th and the 6th and on Second World War.
[00:42:46] So the 5th and the 6th plane now all the powers of that man is finished. The subtle world is the world of energy and world is the world of mine. Mine has got two factions two parts one Hops and second feelings. So the man on the 5th plane can control the thoughts of everybody in the whole world.
[00:43:08] He can give a thought to somebody in the world. He can know what his thoughts going on, but he cannot work a miracle. He can't make a dead man. Like no, but he can control the court only men. But anyway, so that's the Chris playing I'm cutting it very short six plane is the one who can control healing of everything over. He cannot control thoughts. You can control building supposing there's a woman comes for my son's bed, and she's so rather than trying way, but he cannot change her course.
[00:43:48] One man on on the fifth plane can work a miracle on her. Like I'm calling her foxy but is man can work by controlling the feelings the difficulties and the main on the 6:00 plane. He sees God that speaks says he words are exactly he has the feeling of single. It's not easy. Are these eyes that you see God on the sixth day is the feeling of seeing God is healing you remember that? There's a world of difference Jakob on one of the many people. I want to talk to you about his experiences. He is to see bomber constant Lucas and David asked me what then is Runnin Isaac's has been because he this is gross science Bubba all the time, but the man on the system and he feels that God is
[00:44:38] So he's everyone everything animate inanimate everything has gone, but he sees himself something from that and therefore the pangs of suffering of age. The joy is great because he sees God, but the suffering is great also because he wants to
[00:44:57] And what bothered rocks upon these vessels were happy stocks of his separation from God. Thank you so much under suffering on the 1616 you and I cannot have that suffering of Separation because he sees gone everywhere and he wants to get United. Let us explain finally the jump from the 6237 plane is the final goal of life and Commander comes back because all the subscribers are completely wiped out on the when you jump on the discern plane. And the other says it's you all yoga or this or that or any other methods you might at once after the Sixth Lane, but from the 62 the seventh without a guru you can never leave this and only a guru has got Perfection on his even if you work on that in future.
[00:45:51] So you have comments the final goal of life that has relation on the same plane. And you in now what happens as soon as you come on the seventh blame you in exchange infinite power knowledge least God, but rather says as soon as you come on the same plane you drop this gross body and you become one with God. You don't live it's very very rare that some people live for three days and they are calmer Suits now. The first journey is over, please now from Stone up to seven plane God realization is the first now we are talking of high ourselves. That's a second job. At least even if we can reach up to the something really worthwhile when we are not going to go further than that, but for us most of us, maybe some of you might be liberating is Liberation means no more cycle of birth.
[00:46:51] But we will experience only the infinite grace of God. We will not experience the internet power knowledge on history, but we will not come back unless father wants you back some work now, here is his mother, you know every his mother aeroccino and his mother when she needs to come back again. Why because she will give birth to bubble and bubble gum. So she's got to come on one after another sacrifice and that still power comes down to me maybe after 700 years, but as far as I know he's coming.
[00:47:23] So he'll then she has to keep on on this because she has a special work. So most of us will deliberate but we will not explain the internet power knowledge in this even if you get calibration model now so you come on the same day another then lists only for three or four days next and his animal is 110613 this person who's hungry suppose a person is not conscious of the word of God. Absolutely no consciousness of the world. The only constructed his cut.
[00:47:57] After four days, he also drops his body and he becomes we've already become one with God, but he becomes vidocq Society in each case is some of these modules were destined to go further from what is called. The common asleep was born earlier. I was saying that man is God realized but he becomes conscious were lost as it is of the gross world of sudden world, but anyone who becomes conscious of all these three worlds for some time. He's conscious sometimes he's again in the mud soup state of being drunk. So he's on the junction sort of sometimes conscious of the world sometimes not conscious.
[00:48:40] If he still further progresses, then he becomes what Scholars salad salad with a got you nice person who is all of and conscious of the world of all the three worlds through supplementary. He is God realized but he cannot help anybody in different countries.
[00:48:58] He's a perfect Master. You can call him up him. Perfect Master. Why though? He's perfect. He cannot help. He says he still further progress. So what is the definition of a master of public manager is a Godless person who is conscious of the world of all the flavors and at the same time he can help others to go proposition. Now mother says only there are five such perfect matches.
[00:49:26] And once one of these five fellows kick the bucket that netsilik comes up and takes his place, you know, so hits these between the seventh and and the 57 masses are only 50 60 on the seven planes. There are 7,000. So on the same plane 7,000 from Seventh playing to the crowd release date of a collection. There are 56 when one of these perfect mask has passed away from those other 51:1 become the puppet master and there is a shift from 7001 calabaza. So it's a gradual process.
[00:50:05] So this is one of the five of us Masters are now the perfect matches can normally a man list for say 60 521 25 years, which is called at H. And H. So 11 such ages then they're over the pipe of a masses who are in the lemon Sage he requests for the common human form and then God descends directly in the form of a human being and he is called the Christ the Messiah the outdoor and the whatever you want. And so Baba is also a perfect Master but he has not passed through the whole Evolutions incarnation in using processes. He has God become man while the perfect Master is men become God you see the difference both are the same the status of brother ization is the same North right from the sampling to The Puzzle Master or ^ mm. They're all the same in status, but the functioning capacities with
[00:51:05] So this is in soft as I told you what is that speaks? I try to finish by filtering. But remember this that what is the importance of knowing God speaks?
[00:51:18] I've avoided all the terminology from now on after you want to know Hannah means you are lost.
[00:51:30] One reason or another so the seventh plane is the plane of the Mizzou when she's lost power.
[00:51:41] And because it's a phenomena that's a ground state of reality. Therefore. It's called funneh Ella.
[00:51:50] While the perfect Master is in the state of a god realized it and his status is called the status of pakka and because it's a state of reality that with all pakka Willa don't get involved in all these terms is please involved as long as you know, what happens after the second stage after the same Stacy demand becomes around for four days. He lifts his polymer system dies or he comes with conscious of the world for part of the time Paradigm is not conscious. He's in the what is called the Divine Junction Korea was or he goes further and become the salic even organized person, but you cannot help anybody he's conscious of the world and the purple plant is conscious of the world. He can also recall we've got realization. And after of course is God become man man become god is perfect.
[00:52:41] Would you like to have some questions? Sure, go ahead?
[00:52:46] Who?
[00:52:51] Yes, that's what I know about.
[00:52:54] He said that.
[00:52:57] Well, he said if you see some of the outcomes come a little earlier you get too impatient. Come on the world seems because you will see between Christ and Buddha it is only 450 years.
[00:53:11] Buddha is 2500 rice is now 20th century. It's not born 40 years. You know that Buddha and Muhammad is 600 years difference only not 700 years his 1400 Century of the Muslims one Twentieth Century classes. So it's only $600. So don't get fixed to he's exactly seven hundred years and exactly fourteen hundred years. He can come a little earlier. He can come little later and you might be surprised. Yes. I'm coming to you you might be surprised that in between also doubts are comes at times.
[00:53:46] Father says he comes normally at the end of seven hundred years earlier than the 1400 years, but he has also also said that in cases of emergency, you know, as you get emergency the medical practice. He also has an emergency he comes so he also comes in an emergency. Yeah, he does and like she wants you to know she wanted the great king of samarra. Welcome to Bible says that he is she was also his he had come as an intermediary out there, but the only difference is that that engine is real time is not conscious that his
[00:54:23] While the man outside who comes after in 714 hungry as he struck definitely consider that he's outside, but she was she was not conscious. He did all the work of an outsider because he first had to look at you two, but he was not conscious. Yes. He wants to do something.
[00:54:48] What am I doing? Yes major the major of that coming.
[00:54:58] He's coming back after 150 years.
[00:55:03] Because he's donors I know.
[00:55:10] Why are you so bothered about it and let it come and do his job, you know?
[00:55:18] Yes, go ahead.
[00:55:23] After all this discussion you confused.
[00:55:36] No, no, no, no be something quite different. There are four types of multi. Don't get complicated with multi multi in short means Liberation from the cycle of births and deaths while god-realization something like the man who gets more p is a man who gets only infinite this he does not experience with three other states. Yes.
[00:56:00] Yes, then you get moved T. If you take my name during a dying moments, you'll get mostly but not got your decision.
[00:56:12] You want God you are already one with God on the 7:00 plane that books in but you only enjoy one aspect of God that is infinite lives.
[00:56:26] You almost every plane you are on this Earth plane, but only experiencing one attribute of God. Yes.
[00:56:39] For what?
[00:56:41] Yes, even if you from the gross plane, we are all on the growth plane when we die we get moved in the trough.
[00:56:50] You can get you wanted know the definition of moxie the four different types of the well, I'll tell you one is movie when we reach our last and think of Bob and get moving. That's the ordinary move. Then one is called with aim of the medium of these the Mizzou who is on the same plane who is not conscious of the world yet. He is Mookie because he is liberated from the cycle of birth and death. So he within well between Muslim and the perfect Master the man is alive like a salad. So he College even move he's living and yet his mostly because he has got Liberation. So he's living space and the Forum of these an end because Master when he passed,
[00:57:32] That's only come from this side is gone.
[00:57:42] Yes, yes. Yes somebody's talking here. Well, this is car has the man takes on. Well, this is all that has been explained that if you are connected with the gutter with the with the big drainage your Valance it but otherwise Baba has said it in 58 at the motor will serve us he says he was talking about the Opium. I sense that that saying who's taking on the sun's cars off of other people because he's not perfect what happens to him in his next birth. This is exactly what happens with the doctor in his next birth is the same thing. So Barbara says that that Saint who was really not a saint but Bose has the saint and he took on the sun scars of millions of people in his next birth. He has to suffer because he has been among the some scars of so many people but God knows that this man has really done something good to the others because they have unconsciously passed on resonance cars. Therefore he modified the suffering and his
[00:58:42] Less suffering though who has to go through it but in a modified way.
[00:58:46] So similarly the doctor has done good for many people if he's not connected to the grid Greenwich, like fucking Master. He will have to suffer his next birth, but it will be a modified in a less intense.
[00:59:01] Yes, you want to say something?
[00:59:11] Yes, yes. Yes, we all will get mostly don't worry. Yes you
[00:59:39] It's the same state. You see one thing very confusing in the last part of God's business in the in the in the wonderful the index path the summary part of it at the end there Baba says that even after Liberation or when the perfect Master drops his body. He has become the drop has become one with Orson but he maintains his individuality which is beyond the mind to understand because if you have merged into the ocean, how can you still maintain your because otherwise what will happen is the trouble is that if that one drop becomes the infinite ocean, then all of the tops will become the infinite ocean. So therefore he sort of men in some sort of the initialization cannot understand his argument mind but the state is the same of the liberated man as well as of the opportunity. Both are in that infinite ocean become the ocean 118 is only place one the other experiences and to our knowledge.
[01:00:37] Yes for all.
[01:00:42] Yes.
[01:00:47] Well, I'll tell you about the stanchion.
[01:00:54] But the short story very short Baba asked me to ask him about his experiences and I asked different study of
[01:01:07] This tells you what, what is BCE?
[01:01:14] What what what what happened was that she was one of the Monday and all of these bundles they get Liberation. Remember the manly are not the people of the 120 remember this they may be up to 120, but they may not be of the ones in remember this very clearly now all the people on the one who you know, what the 120s
[01:01:36] You see every perfect master has a circle of 12 people and two women out our has ten such Circles of Guelph each which is hundred and twenty plus two women extra in the first circuit. So makes total of 122. This is what I call the one hint. So these are the circle people all of them are guaranteed Godzilla's but the monthly there are the people who are reading. This father wasn't for Baba. They are not necessarily of the 120 members. It's a world of difference.
[01:02:11] Strategy was one of them ones.
[01:02:15] I will take you from Sebastian.
[01:02:18] Because I know it he was the manly as well as use one of the ones so you can cut it.
[01:02:33] She didn't know that you coming back.
[01:02:39] Father once again for some work human Souls that he dropped that I know Nora has come back and now the person who is this
[01:02:48] No, no Elena. You have no energy get so much power. He has his reborn already in Indian. I know that regardless of he is now in a compass.
[01:02:59] Rockwell somebody he wants their please
[01:03:09] There's no choice you got mostly you got liberated. How can you have a choice you can have a choice? Yes.
[01:03:17] Fun
[01:03:23] What you looking for?
[01:03:26] Vocalization carbonization Garden, I don't get you and come on tell me trouble is what is the mean? What do you mean tell me?
[01:03:41] Yes.
[01:03:46] It's not your choice at all viruses don't want me to want what you want.
[01:03:54] Yet you're wanting the my want some of that so it's not your choice at all. Yes. We're going to the next one.
[01:04:08] No, no, that's not his choice. It's God's choice. It's God's choice, whether he should become a bird master of yet. Only Liberation. I asked for bother for Liberation and I told you what he told me for 12 years without a minutes break repeat my name then you'll get what realization in short it's impossible for me. That's what he meant. Yes this one system.
[01:04:37] Exactly go down as long as you can so let's say J about we can be going to the next.
[01:05:02] Welcome to the 7th annual meher, Baba.
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Dr. Hosang Barucha
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Hoshang Barucha God Speaks
[00:00:07] Today's question and answer meeting I think will restrict the God speaks. Am I audible now the seems yesterday or day before Eichmann was not horrible at the bank. Well, who do you want me to tell you all about God speaks or would you want to ask questions? What would you want?
[00:00:33] Paraphrase the whole thing. Put it into a small thing within 45 minutes. I've already lost 15 minutes.
[00:00:44] Well, you would be surprised to know that I got a telegram from Baba on the 4th of January 1956 that Baba was to arrive in my town on on the 29th of January. And on the fifth morning. I got the first copy of God speaks that arrived in India. I had told that it is send me the copy. Well as soon as I got this I never knew how difficult that book won't would be. I thought it would be like any of the other books. So I thought I read the whole book make a summary of it and read it out to Baba when he came on the 29th. Not even realizing that it's impossible to read that book within 20 days. Well somehow in addition to my medical work somehow. I read that book made a summary made of missing typed it out and kept it ready for Bob.
[00:01:31] Of course when Bob arrived there was no chance to read them some real to him, but I did give him the summary David is this well? I'm going to tell you something else at some right now.
[00:01:47] Try and think of a ocean just imagine an ocean and ocean is made up of millions and millions of drops. I'm going fast because we got finished since I would take three hours to explain gusting you would not have read that book again.
[00:02:08] But one time shot, so well just imagine an ocean is made up of drops you pick up a drunk from that ocean. It takes upon itself a shape and a form and therefore you call it a drop you put that drop back into the ocean if he comes the ocean itself. So in the ocean that drop does not exist as a dropper to take this as the ocean itself.
[00:02:31] Now try and imagine an infinite ocean ocean that exists everywhere. There is no Earth. No Universe has no galaxies. No nothing at all. Just trying to imagine an infinite ocean from that infinite ocean. If you pick up a drop and put it somewhere you would call it a drug and you put it back. It will become the ocean. But if that ocean is infinite, you cannot pick up a dropped to put it somewhere else. Otherwise that ocean would not be infinite. Is that clear?
[00:03:01] So if God is infinite all-pervading everywhere in space only God exists as Baba says God is infinite. So if God is infinite who are worrying that infinite God we are those drops in that infinite ocean of God and therefore we cannot exist as brujah Francoeur this for them. We must be one in that infinite ocean, but due to some sort of an ignorance. We feeling that I'm going to chain and Frank's is that right? So therefore Baba comes once again after 700 years each time reminding you I voice you and mr. Belcher. Um, Frank you are the ocean itself. It's something like an iceberg. This is all from Gus weeks that I'm telling you in that infinite ocean suppose the millions of drops that make up that infinite ocean. They see Iceberg huge eyes.
[00:04:00] And that Iceberg tells the drops. Hey little drops, you are not the drops where the ocean so, how can we be the ocean and you are just bigger than that? You are not the ocean and he said no the Ice Berg says the drop. I am the ocean. There's no it can't be and they have a big fight with the hell was I supposed to think we are the drops in use I suppose you're not the ocean and then I felt nervous and once the iceberg tremendous drops. He was indifferent. So that iceberg is Bob who comes up comes amongst us it tell us that I'm that infinite God and you are also as in if you remember in listen Humanity the sentence you and I are not we but one
[00:04:52] So one of the things that I am that infinite God come in the form of an iceberg in formal commands to tell you that you and I are one or we quarrel with him and we crucify him and we do this and do that and humiliate Baba. They do all sorts of things in our ignorance absolute ignorance.
[00:05:12] So this if you have this basic knowledge that nothing exists, but God and that we are all a part and parcel of that infinite ocean drug takes his very difference in so in that original state won't bother causes of beyond beyond state of God, which even a perfect Master cannot describe. Let's forget that because it is a his Republic Master cannot describe. I cannot describe their own. So then God gets a win in that state. Who am I a woman's women? You cannot say why he got the win women's just to win. I might get him to get out here right now. And that's the way so similarly God got a whim who am I and he guessed at him and immediately Baba says God became infinitely conscious that he was God and he became infinitely unconscious that he was not God now how could both these things if possible something could be infinite, but how could we also infinite and Unwin?
[00:06:12] And it is valises don't use your brain in there because these things you won't understand. So this is the initial part of that speak, which is very difficult to understand but what happens is as soon as the God God's that wind know himself, then the unconscious aspects of God wants to know that he is God and therefore to experience something he must take upon a shape and a form and so he comes in the form of the store.
[00:06:41] So who has become a stone? It's nothing but God himself takes upon a separate form so that he could fix up a little Consciousness. Now, you would say that the stone has no consciousness with and I'm just cutting it short because before the stone also there are many other stages like liquids semi liquids gases sending the gases. These are all in different stages but to understand it more clearly God takes upon himself the shape and form of a store and comes as a stone in order to get Consciousness. Now, how would you say that stone has of Consciousness? Well, the Consciousness is so subtle but goddesses. Yes. It has got it years back people didn't believe that plants had lied. Now definitely it proves that lands in life and that their Sun God in them that makes them move that makes them do this and that and that so even Stones someday science will be able to find out that we've missed.
[00:07:41] His life but it's in a very very subtle form. So God himself takes upon a form of a stone in order to get experience and he guessed some scars or impression. I am a black stone and white stone. I'm a diamond. I'm a ruby and emerald amethyst as so different since kinds come on his Stone and as the sun scars command, it's God the soul resonance curve and with the gaining of the samskaras Consciousness develops.
[00:08:12] So why did God come into the form of a stone in order to gain Consciousness to know that he was God himself now in the stone species of their millions and millions of type of species. Well God passes to all of them and finally becomes what is called metal, you know how the transition address you go to a metal mind and you will find out that from tons and tons of stone they wash it and clean it and do all sorts of processes and the bring out a little metal. So the transition from Stone to metal is so very my new it takes years years and years and years. So anyway, the next form that God takes upon is that for method and then what passes for different species of metals in this and goes to work all other metals healing experiences gaining some scars and at the same time developing his consciousness.
[00:09:06] The Consciousness is being developed a little more then from the stone to the metal metal to the vegetable. Now, this is something you would write to figure out. How can the metal become a vegetable?
[00:09:20] This a try. So Baba says the link is the coral. You know what the coral is. It's as hard as Stone and yet it has nice. The coral is the link between the metal and the vegetables.
[00:09:34] The car looks like a vegetable. It looks like a plan and yet it isn't a client. It's a pizza hybrid between the metal and the West so then comes the vegetable Kingdom. So God passes through all the different species of vegetables in order to become more conscious and at the same time it gains more and more samskaras. So with the gain of samskaras the Consciousness is being developed. So that's the vegetable Stone metal vegetable dishes before fish between vegetable and fish out. How does the widget will become a fish suddenly? Well, the the link is worms reptile. These are the links insects using grasshoppers on trees. They look so green. They look as if you cannot unless you see carefully you won't even live in able to know that there is a rash of a sitting on a tree it's so green and perfectly like the truths of so these are the transitions of worms between somet electrical and fish between fish and vegetables you get
[00:10:34] These reptiles insects. These are the transition between watch tables and and Fishers then God gets into the fish.
[00:10:46] Age and it gets more impression that gets more consciousness.
[00:10:51] Consciousness is being developed more and more and more from then vegetable to burst vegetable fish because you seen many fishes flying in the air also. So when the transition from fish to bird is not very difficult to understand. So first from Birds goes further Stone metal vegetable fish birds and mammals.
[00:11:13] Now the first animal the transition between a bird and an animal is the kangaroo. Kangaroo is the first animals to perform and then the other species so God is passing through all these different species of animals vegetables this and that in order to gain Consciousness. But at the same time it's developing more samskaras or impressions.
[00:11:36] So he passes through the whole Animal Kingdom and the last three animals that you know, our boss the dogs and monkeys the monkeys. The last before him is the dog the dog is so intimate with men because he soon to become a monkey and from the monkeys going to become a man you seen many people who look like monkeys itself. Thanks, and there are many monkeys that look like men. So so the transition is a monkey the Apes the Apes looks so much like me and at least I've seen number in mind Professionals in number of men who look like - so so evidently that fellow's just come from the monkey to the man says could be anyway. So God has passed through all these seven stages in order to gain Consciousness, but at the same time it's gaining also.
[00:12:37] Now with the green of Impressions, the green of Consciousness has become more and more and more till the first human beings is born as soon as the first human beings form from the monkey. Then Consciousness is hundred percent developed. As soon as Consciousness is hundred percent develop that Consciousness should Enlighten that soul that you are God but on the contrary what happens is that Consciousness and lightens that soul that you are man why because of the curtain of some Stars?
[00:13:11] So just try and imagine about a light bulb the bulb is the sole around it all the wrappings of the difference in scars that it has gained during its process that Lucian and the Consciousness is there but the Consciousness cannot Enlighten that soul that it is God because of the wrapping of subscribers.
[00:13:33] So this is the first part of God speaks the evolution process from Stone tomb and that's the evolution process now comes the second process which is called The Reincarnation process reincarnation is birth death birth date of men and Bone man who won it goes on and on and on and on and on why because that's soul wants to remove this inspires only the some scars are removed. Then the Consciousness will at once enlightened. That's all that yoga. You're not human being so many passes through this birds and less version that's in order to remove the sense guys. But as Baba says you try to remove some scar by the front door. It enters by the back door. For example, he gives an example. I'm fond of eating mango ice cream. Just Breathe.
[00:14:23] So I eat a mango ice cream and therefore I cut off my since Kyra of eating a mango ice cream. But at the same time say, oh, wow. God must have it again immediately a new samskaras created to eat ice cream. So to remove some scars is an impossible test. It's absolutely you try to remove one you get an another one might get into so it's extremely difficult to remove the some scars. So well, then gets into the cycle of births and deaths now what birth and death every time somebody is born in your family you feel so happy and everybody so happy and on the everything back home. They are I don't know about you. So so over there everybody feels and specially for son is born to a Hindu family. Gosh, it's all just it's all just enjoyment and there they distribute sweets and the Distributors and that and all that.
[00:15:24] If it's a girl they don't do anything. So that's back home. Now. What is this birth and death? We must realize this why am I telling you the details of this is because when somebody dies in our family, we always been so upset and there's always crying and tears and this and that and all that rigmarole that goes behind death. But mother says that death is really beneficial to use
[00:15:57] Wow, because what happens after that you see a person dies. Bob says what size is the body gets separated from the soul. Now what goes with the soul with the soul goes the samskaras and the consciousness?
[00:16:15] Of course, I haven't told you that during the evolution process besides this gross body. The subtle body is also developed and the mental bodies on sexuality which in the form of animals in the mental bodies in the form of instinct and the subtle body is nothing but the body that gives you the energy to do things.
[00:16:34] So the subtle body and mental body are already there from the stone developing very slowly and in the human being they are developed completely. What is the mental body is your mind nothing but the mind and what is the Mind mind is nothing but the storeroom of all this millions of some scars that's your mind in simple language. And so when you die, what happens is the soul is always there the soul cannot the samskaras that are left behind are their Consciousness is there the subtle body is there and mental bodies there. So the mental body is an accumulation of all your subscribers and that drives you on to another birth again and the subtle body is the one that gives you the energy to take another girl. Now what happens between death and the first between that time you are in a in a place called while the West believes something like hell and heaven. That's all there's nothing like hell
[00:17:34] Remember this Baba says and God speaks that hell and heaven are not places. They are states of experiences of Joy or suffering in the subsidy spheres.
[00:17:48] You know, this is the gross World there is a subtle world and there is a meant by the sudden world is here. The mental world is also here. It is not that the subtle world is somewhere far away and the mental World Is Still further away. It's not it's all here. You got only experience so between the gross and subtle there is something called the substrata Spheres.
[00:18:11] So after you die, the soul leaves that stays within that vicinity of the body that is in that family for only three days on the fourth day. That's all separates away completely from the connections. It had in the gross world and goes into what is called. The subsurface fear there according depending on the goodies are the bad leaves that it had done It suffers in the good in the hell heaven state or it enjoys in heaven state or is suffers in the Hills you get that for just to give you an example supposing a man dies with hundred good deeds and fifty bad days. So as soon as he dies, that's all after three days goes into the subsurface fear and that soul is shown like it's like a film he sees his whole life sketch again drawn on the screen of his Consciousness where he sees all the good and the bad Deeds that he's done and
[00:19:10] He has done fifteen more Good Deeds while he enjoys them that I've done so much good and therefore he can be said to be in heaven state if he has done hundred bad deeds and only 50 Good Deeds while he's going to stop were in that state when it is Paula hand-stitched and how long will this go on until 50? 51 almost they become one equal immediately. He'll take an Uber Baba says if the neutralize each other immediately he gets liberated, but without the body you can never get Liberation. You have to get Liberation only in the body. Therefore this can never neutralize itself in the subsidies fears. So therefore you enjoy or suffer in the hell of the heavens State depending on your good or bad deeds and you come back as soon as it comes to 50 51. This is just an example. So you get reborn again and again you experiences in scars. The 50/50 one that is a hundred one that you
[00:20:10] But experience you experience them and at the same time you create a new instance guys, and this goes on and on and on and on.
[00:20:17] Now you must have heard a lot of people like the psychics one of these psychics. Yes, there are some small talk and they want to discuss then but these sites are one they can contact souls in the subsurface fear who have not yet got another body and they can contact them and get messages from them. Now some of these psychics who get these messages from the sub subtle souls in the subsurface fear. Well, they may be good for those who are giving some good messages. They could be bad Source giving that message wrong socks. So I would definitely not rely on a psychic. Why not Believin Bob and accept Bob only. Why going in for these mediums, I have met a number of people who have been doing this contacting spirits in the other in the sub solid spheres and giving answers and giving this next it doesn't work out at all. There's no sense for it. Absolutely not sensitive because why should you contact?
[00:21:17] These these there for all you know, if it's a good spirit can guide you correctly and if it's a bad spirit that comes inside you're done with so and what are these ghosts?
[00:21:28] Who's are real things? Actually, they are real things. What happens is that some Souls after that. There is another body called the astral body which remains only for a very short time after death. But these goes our souls who have a great attachment of work and they do not give up this this Astro shape what is called besides the subtle and the mental this Astro sheath and therefore they gravitate to the Earth and they show they come and show and stand in front of you like forms in that astrology and that's what you see and you feel fight ghosts are real things or they are souls who have not been able to break their Astro seed and get off into the subsurface here. They are in the Loomis part of the subsurface fears because of their craving for certain cravings, and these are the people who are usually those who have committed sin.
[00:22:29] Or have died with great expectations of great listing attachments in the world. These are the people who become these ghosts ghosts are real thing and I can tell you the number of stories of how it goes is the trouble Baba at night time. That's a completely different subject. I don't want to discuss it.
[00:22:47] But these goes is to come and trouble father like hell and the trouble the manly also because the money you would see them and they get frightened about it. This happened even nightmares that I know that because I've been there anyway, so you understood now, what is birth what is death? So death is nothing but your actually advancing on the spiritual path because you are seeing retrospectively your whole life and therefore knowing what you should have done and what you have done and therefore in your life next life you have definitely proved. So at the time of death, don't cry, that's what box is very very important. Don't grind don't whale and by the way for your for your information back home. There are professional Reapers not sweepers weepers. They are call when somebody dies in the family. They are called they paid for it and they comment cry and beat the
[00:23:47] Just like anything you would think that that Jessel burst open, you know and the more you pay them the more the crime.
[00:23:54] These are professional weepers is something fantastic to see that really I don't know. I don't know whether it's there in the west. But at least we have these professional weepers over there, but this is absolutely nonsense. Why because Bob says if You Weep and cry what happens is that's soul, which is getting disentangle from the environment over here. It has greater difficulty in separating out. So do not drive on the contrary for the first three days. If you pray then that's all easily. This entangles itself from here and goes away to the subsurface weird and prayers also should be done by the family members or the loved ones because you will do it with your heart back home. We call freeze who pray for them and they are people who are paid for that breath. And therefore they are not going to pray from the heart. They are just going to pray because
[00:24:51] You want to say something?
[00:24:53] Yes.
[00:24:57] Just think about Baba just think of Baba really and that will definitely help that man to separate out from here. No or whatever bear you've been doing you believing in Jesus if you being priced or anybody else it matters for little as long as a prayer, you know, the definition of a prayer as bother defines prayer prayer is a spontaneous appreciation of God.
[00:25:22] Whatever name you take its installed material. It's a spontaneous appreciation of God not set prayers or regular prayers or I don't want to go on that stuff any prayer as long as it's done from the heart it helps that soul to disentangle itself from here. So we are getting entangled in The Reincarnation process. Let's get out so births and deaths births and deaths this goes on and on and on but then what time until you meet your perfect match.
[00:25:53] Or you meet a phony messenger?
[00:25:56] Even if you meet a phony Master you are going to win why because there is a discourse given by Baba in 1958 at the Myrtle Beach service. It's called optimized sense read that is cause I'll tell you in which short what then discourses it is then suppose. I believe that Frank is a god realized person and I go and bow down to him with all my love and devotion and he accepts my love and devotion. Then I am playing the winning game because I'm passing on mice and stars, but he's playing the losing him because he's not perfect.
[00:26:32] If he was a perfect Master, he'd be able to absorb all my passions cars but since he's not perfect he is going to play a losing game. He's going to suffer for all the needs and all the bad things that I've done. He's getting it on to him. Now. How long will this go on? This is the discourse very shortly. I'm telling you until one time supposing you die. And you don't know then that man is really not God realize in a perfect man. Then you have won. They won the game you going to next birth and you definitely improve on the spiritual path, but supposing while I am alive. I realized that Frank is a croak. He is not a real perfect Master then what happens is over the years all the sons cars which have been passing on to him. We'll come back rebound back on me immediately and once like sledgehammer and that's the time when I will commit suicide or something will go extremely wrong with me because all yes.
[00:27:33] Yes.
[00:27:35] Yes.
[00:27:37] Yes. Yeah, so therefore beware of going to sings. I remember years back. We are drifting from God speak just because of that question years back. I didn't want to say that they somebody was asking some questions but years back Baba every day in the morning would repeat a worse from Saint tukaram took on was a god realization and every day in the morning. One of the Monday would have to repeat that particular worse and in which it says the sum and substance is do not go through any sense. Why Baba gave me an example. He says suppose I tell you brucha don't eat any food on so and Saturday gonna try this goes well on a Friday supposing a saint comes into my town and I go to say well, I'm devoted to Baba course, but there's nothing wrong in my going to a stranger anyway get his blessings. So suppose I go to that st. And the same fix up.
[00:28:37] The president gives it to me and says eat what happens? I'm caught between the devil and the teacher because Bob has sent don't eat on a fried. I've gone to that st. On a Friday. So if I disobey that st. And I don't eat it while I am I'm getting his Rock his anger on me. So I'm losing their if I eat it. I've lost my father's order. So you're saying the losing game complete their for Baba says tukaram says if you must go to a saint go and bow down from a distance and get out don't get involved. This is exactly every day in the morning. Bob would make a sweetie repeat the sentence.
[00:29:20] That's not the way now. Yes.
[00:29:35] Well if he realizes it in a shot like that or if he realizes it slowly then he'll take back his sons are slowly. But if at the same time he's got connected to a perfect master or you're directing that man to Baba. Then the trouble will not arise because then all the sudden scars which come unto him in a Flash will be passed on to Baba. Yes. Another thing. I'm again. I'm again detouring a little it's similarly. Baba has said that for a medical man. Also you see supposing he is to suffer for four days some pain in the abdominal and he comes to me for treatment and I treat him into this. Well, he has got the since cars for two days left over for suffering. So those two two days since cars and taking on myself as a doctor and
[00:30:28] Now what happens is if I treat 400 patients a day, can you imagine the load that I am taking on my head? But because I am already connected to a perfect Master. It's something like Baba says, you know house if you got a wash basin and and it's connected to a drainage somewhere outside. It's all right, because the water will not come into your if it's not connected to a drainage all the water is going to come in the house and make it horrible. So connect yourself to a big drainage and that's the perfect Master you're connecting to yes.
[00:31:02] The organisms cars positively they are definitely gaining some scarves.
[00:31:07] Yeah, even though they are doing good work. They are gaining some scars. I'll tell you this what happens to them. We are on God speaks. They are definitely gaining some scars. So anyway, I'm out of it because I'm connected to Baba some passing on everything on their form taking from here and passing on their so while we are in this cycle of births and deaths but it's going so fast it and is there something wrong with that baby? Yes. Yes.
[00:31:43] Yeah, that's right, but somebody might feel sleepy here while you're at liberty to go.
[00:31:49] Well this cycle of birth and death goes on and on you understood what his birth was his death now. So therefore do not whale when somebody is born and do not be very happy when somebody is born do not fail when somebody's dead sorry and do not be very happy when somebody is born. It's just a normal process is just a normal process. So this is birds in there. So this is the second part of God speaks The Reincarnation process then comes the third process the in Lucy. This is the most interesting part of the whole book really it is interesting because all this is we pass through all this we don't have to bother about the past Evolution and really finished with all that we are in our last birth with Baba we are in our last but that's definite currently. So we are all going to get Liberation not God realization that there's a difference between two walls. Anyway, so now comes the involution process. What is the solution process you going inside now all this time, you've been going on and on now.
[00:32:49] Go inside now. It's so beautifully described in dance fix this no other books have described as half as has described as so many of the Persian poets have described it, but they described it in Parables. It's never like half is when he says I can hear the camel bells ringing actually. He's talking on first place. So these are all variables which we cannot understand what it means but how Barbara has perfectly put it in hand so that the scientific man can understand what the Aleutian processes well now we are going to what's called Innovation supposing the console lots and lots of births and deaths and finally come to a perfect master. So as in listen Humanities, there is a sentence the moment you put your head on the seat of a perfect Master the death knell of your son's cars is Saturday.
[00:33:39] So he takes care of her since cars now and you are now going into the English process. If you have met a perfect Master lucky, if you even if you have made a phony follow keep your face on the him till the end very end. Otherwise you're going to suffer. So now what is the solution process? It's it's with the same body with the same mind you're going to experience certain other things what is called the subtle world? And then the mental world the subtle world has got only three planes.
[00:34:11] The mental world has got to and between them. There is a junction called the fourth plane. So the first three plane belong to the subtle world. The fourth is a junction and then the fifth and the sixth is the mental world. Yes. So now what happens how will you know that you have involve yourself and got onto the first plane. When you experience three things, please note that you have gone on to the first plane. What are the first three things? I had tell you like a school teacher. You know, the first thing is you see Divine sighs second. You hear the Divine sounds and the third you smell Divine sense. These are the three things that you experience on the first plane of the subtle world. Am I audible again there at the bank Frank, huh?
[00:35:04] A little louder
[00:35:06] So when you experience these three things Divine Sons Divine sense and divine Divine sounds Divine sites and divine smell sounds that are not here. Remember that. It's not some loudspeaker somewhere player blaring away. And you hear that in said, oh, I'm hearing something that many people have gone to this. I know my on my last visit or here in La I know somebody in Hollywood said he was on the sixth plane and he was hearing all this and all that rubbish, you know. Well anyway, forget it. So these are the you see these are delusions on the facts because Bob has explained this Y is what is the mm I'll tell you at the end. What is the importance of knowing God speaks because you don't get deluded on the back supposing you hear some sounds or you see line sense are seeing the wind size or you smell you don't get diluted don't think that's the end of the whole journey while the journey is far away. It's
[00:36:06] Far away still very far away. So we haven't even finished the first journey the first journey ends on the from Stone 27 slain, so we are on the first journey still, you know, so when you experience these three things then you can be said to be experiencing the subtle world now, it's something like somebody there is the subtle world. Is it somewhere about down below? Nobody explains it so nicely. He says suppose you have a radio and you tune it to New York at once you will get the sound of what is happening there at the New York radio station, but if you didn't have the radio your years were not capable of getting to that frequency. And therefore you cannot hear what is going on at the radio station New York. So the radio waves from New York are already here, but you are not in a capacity to accept them or to receive them accepting through the medium of radio similarly.
[00:37:06] The subtle world is also here, but you are not in a capacity to experience them because you are not come to up to the stage. So once you have your samskaras get cleared out slowly and slowly you come to experience this at work. Now, even before you can come onto the subtle world. You can start doing some small on subtle world is the plains of energy and therefore you can work Small Miracles. Like I've seen so many of these these tricksters we're not pals who do lot of these magic tricks enough tricks spiritual tricks, like, you know, the transport the body from one place to another without anything. I met one person that then he just said I'm going somewhere. So, how do you go and how are you going to have you got a reservation? He said we don't need reservations and he just he just you know, so these are tricks which they can do even before they come on the first plane. They are nearing the first plane then they can read books. There are you know a closed book you give up close book?
[00:38:06] And he on page numbers on so he'll tell you what's exactly going on on first page or a second page or any page on that book. These are small things because he's getting the subtle energy of God now subtle world is the world of energy and therefore he's experiencing these small. He can work Small Miracles or you can become very light or you can become very heavy. I know of another man also, he was a saint I met this very things they need to know thin body and then some to have to follow as you know, big followers who could do a lot of wrestling came along and they sort of he wanted to reduce the ego. So he says just pick me up and take me please to have two colors could lift him up.
[00:38:44] Because he made his body Haley. So these are small tricks on the past which you can do, but for God's sake don't get involved in them. If you get these Powers don't use keep them outside for time being at least no, he'll bother advices you to use them. So don't use these bars. Otherwise what happens is you get distracted or not. You leave your track and get aside. So on the first plane, he experiences three things on the second plane. He experiences these sites. These sounds these this much more than on the first plane besides that he can work. Very good bigger Miracles big Americans like supposing there is a tree that's dead. This is let leaves come on it and the leaves come on or there's a well which is absolutely dry. And he says let water come inside. He's bigger Miracles supposing. There's a lame man. He says come on and walk and he starts walking if there is a blind man, he can give him site bigger mirrors on the second place because he's getting the full energy of God third plane. He can work Rick.
[00:39:44] Very big Miracles much bigger than these but he must not get involved in this why because he get sidetracked. So these must switches in you read in the papers. So many of these must there on the Plains and the misuse the bars. In fact, just now there is somebody something in India who's on the fourth friend and he is misusing his pants too much and one day I asked baba, baba.
[00:40:21] On the fourth plane, but his progress has been stopped because of misuse of the Stars. This is exactly what probably so don't misuse your powers. Otherwise, you do not progress further. So third plane when it comes to the fourth plane the fourth plane. He has the full energy of God. He can create a new world. He can destroy this whole world. You can create a new universe if he wants to he has the full power of God, but God has that man if he misses his that
[00:40:53] Because from that he's thrown down straight down to the storage unit in the millions and millions of years through which he had passed through his thrown down from the Portland to the storm the Palace of this happens, very rarely. Why because the perfect Masters were there at that time they control his mind. They don't let him fall unless the perfect Master is a jalali type. Jalali type is a like a fighter cock, you know, he wants to fight with everybody. He says nature is that though? He's perfect but he's got a hot temper. So if that sort of a perfect Master is taking care of that stole it.
[00:41:31] Master is that Jelani claim? It's a long time is a like a fighter cock, you know, he wants to fight with everybody in his nature. Is that so he's perfect but he's got a hot temper. So if that sort of a perfect Master is taking care of that stole. He might throw him down, but this rarely happens.
[00:41:50] So thank God we got a Barbara was a very compassionate father so that he's not going to throw it back in spite of all our mistakes and all our shortcomings every time he and his once told us the weaknesses of all the outdoors and that all the others have a weakness and viruses my weakness. I'll tell you after 700 years when I come back and I feel that weakness is that he forgave too many times, even though we committed the same called a hundred times.
[00:42:30] So I think that's his weakness good for us anyway, so anyway, this is the fourth plane. So now the subtle world is finished. Now, we come onto the Ninja World. The mental world has got only two planes the 5th and the 6th and on Second World War.
[00:42:46] So the 5th and the 6th plane now all the powers of that man is finished. The subtle world is the world of energy and world is the world of mine. Mine has got two factions two parts one Hops and second feelings. So the man on the 5th plane can control the thoughts of everybody in the whole world.
[00:43:08] He can give a thought to somebody in the world. He can know what his thoughts going on, but he cannot work a miracle. He can't make a dead man. Like no, but he can control the court only men. But anyway, so that's the Chris playing I'm cutting it very short six plane is the one who can control healing of everything over. He cannot control thoughts. You can control building supposing there's a woman comes for my son's bed, and she's so rather than trying way, but he cannot change her course.
[00:43:48] One man on on the fifth plane can work a miracle on her. Like I'm calling her foxy but is man can work by controlling the feelings the difficulties and the main on the 6:00 plane. He sees God that speaks says he words are exactly he has the feeling of single. It's not easy. Are these eyes that you see God on the sixth day is the feeling of seeing God is healing you remember that? There's a world of difference Jakob on one of the many people. I want to talk to you about his experiences. He is to see bomber constant Lucas and David asked me what then is Runnin Isaac's has been because he this is gross science Bubba all the time, but the man on the system and he feels that God is
[00:44:38] So he's everyone everything animate inanimate everything has gone, but he sees himself something from that and therefore the pangs of suffering of age. The joy is great because he sees God, but the suffering is great also because he wants to
[00:44:57] And what bothered rocks upon these vessels were happy stocks of his separation from God. Thank you so much under suffering on the 1616 you and I cannot have that suffering of Separation because he sees gone everywhere and he wants to get United. Let us explain finally the jump from the 6237 plane is the final goal of life and Commander comes back because all the subscribers are completely wiped out on the when you jump on the discern plane. And the other says it's you all yoga or this or that or any other methods you might at once after the Sixth Lane, but from the 62 the seventh without a guru you can never leave this and only a guru has got Perfection on his even if you work on that in future.
[00:45:51] So you have comments the final goal of life that has relation on the same plane. And you in now what happens as soon as you come on the seventh blame you in exchange infinite power knowledge least God, but rather says as soon as you come on the same plane you drop this gross body and you become one with God. You don't live it's very very rare that some people live for three days and they are calmer Suits now. The first journey is over, please now from Stone up to seven plane God realization is the first now we are talking of high ourselves. That's a second job. At least even if we can reach up to the something really worthwhile when we are not going to go further than that, but for us most of us, maybe some of you might be liberating is Liberation means no more cycle of birth.
[00:46:51] But we will experience only the infinite grace of God. We will not experience the internet power knowledge on history, but we will not come back unless father wants you back some work now, here is his mother, you know every his mother aeroccino and his mother when she needs to come back again. Why because she will give birth to bubble and bubble gum. So she's got to come on one after another sacrifice and that still power comes down to me maybe after 700 years, but as far as I know he's coming.
[00:47:23] So he'll then she has to keep on on this because she has a special work. So most of us will deliberate but we will not explain the internet power knowledge in this even if you get calibration model now so you come on the same day another then lists only for three or four days next and his animal is 110613 this person who's hungry suppose a person is not conscious of the word of God. Absolutely no consciousness of the world. The only constructed his cut.
[00:47:57] After four days, he also drops his body and he becomes we've already become one with God, but he becomes vidocq Society in each case is some of these modules were destined to go further from what is called. The common asleep was born earlier. I was saying that man is God realized but he becomes conscious were lost as it is of the gross world of sudden world, but anyone who becomes conscious of all these three worlds for some time. He's conscious sometimes he's again in the mud soup state of being drunk. So he's on the junction sort of sometimes conscious of the world sometimes not conscious.
[00:48:40] If he still further progresses, then he becomes what Scholars salad salad with a got you nice person who is all of and conscious of the world of all the three worlds through supplementary. He is God realized but he cannot help anybody in different countries.
[00:48:58] He's a perfect Master. You can call him up him. Perfect Master. Why though? He's perfect. He cannot help. He says he still further progress. So what is the definition of a master of public manager is a Godless person who is conscious of the world of all the flavors and at the same time he can help others to go proposition. Now mother says only there are five such perfect matches.
[00:49:26] And once one of these five fellows kick the bucket that netsilik comes up and takes his place, you know, so hits these between the seventh and and the 57 masses are only 50 60 on the seven planes. There are 7,000. So on the same plane 7,000 from Seventh playing to the crowd release date of a collection. There are 56 when one of these perfect mask has passed away from those other 51:1 become the puppet master and there is a shift from 7001 calabaza. So it's a gradual process.
[00:50:05] So this is one of the five of us Masters are now the perfect matches can normally a man list for say 60 521 25 years, which is called at H. And H. So 11 such ages then they're over the pipe of a masses who are in the lemon Sage he requests for the common human form and then God descends directly in the form of a human being and he is called the Christ the Messiah the outdoor and the whatever you want. And so Baba is also a perfect Master but he has not passed through the whole Evolutions incarnation in using processes. He has God become man while the perfect Master is men become God you see the difference both are the same the status of brother ization is the same North right from the sampling to The Puzzle Master or ^ mm. They're all the same in status, but the functioning capacities with
[00:51:05] So this is in soft as I told you what is that speaks? I try to finish by filtering. But remember this that what is the importance of knowing God speaks?
[00:51:18] I've avoided all the terminology from now on after you want to know Hannah means you are lost.
[00:51:30] One reason or another so the seventh plane is the plane of the Mizzou when she's lost power.
[00:51:41] And because it's a phenomena that's a ground state of reality. Therefore. It's called funneh Ella.
[00:51:50] While the perfect Master is in the state of a god realized it and his status is called the status of pakka and because it's a state of reality that with all pakka Willa don't get involved in all these terms is please involved as long as you know, what happens after the second stage after the same Stacy demand becomes around for four days. He lifts his polymer system dies or he comes with conscious of the world for part of the time Paradigm is not conscious. He's in the what is called the Divine Junction Korea was or he goes further and become the salic even organized person, but you cannot help anybody he's conscious of the world and the purple plant is conscious of the world. He can also recall we've got realization. And after of course is God become man man become god is perfect.
[00:52:41] Would you like to have some questions? Sure, go ahead?
[00:52:46] Who?
[00:52:51] Yes, that's what I know about.
[00:52:54] He said that.
[00:52:57] Well, he said if you see some of the outcomes come a little earlier you get too impatient. Come on the world seems because you will see between Christ and Buddha it is only 450 years.
[00:53:11] Buddha is 2500 rice is now 20th century. It's not born 40 years. You know that Buddha and Muhammad is 600 years difference only not 700 years his 1400 Century of the Muslims one Twentieth Century classes. So it's only $600. So don't get fixed to he's exactly seven hundred years and exactly fourteen hundred years. He can come a little earlier. He can come little later and you might be surprised. Yes. I'm coming to you you might be surprised that in between also doubts are comes at times.
[00:53:46] Father says he comes normally at the end of seven hundred years earlier than the 1400 years, but he has also also said that in cases of emergency, you know, as you get emergency the medical practice. He also has an emergency he comes so he also comes in an emergency. Yeah, he does and like she wants you to know she wanted the great king of samarra. Welcome to Bible says that he is she was also his he had come as an intermediary out there, but the only difference is that that engine is real time is not conscious that his
[00:54:23] While the man outside who comes after in 714 hungry as he struck definitely consider that he's outside, but she was she was not conscious. He did all the work of an outsider because he first had to look at you two, but he was not conscious. Yes. He wants to do something.
[00:54:48] What am I doing? Yes major the major of that coming.
[00:54:58] He's coming back after 150 years.
[00:55:03] Because he's donors I know.
[00:55:10] Why are you so bothered about it and let it come and do his job, you know?
[00:55:18] Yes, go ahead.
[00:55:23] After all this discussion you confused.
[00:55:36] No, no, no, no be something quite different. There are four types of multi. Don't get complicated with multi multi in short means Liberation from the cycle of births and deaths while god-realization something like the man who gets more p is a man who gets only infinite this he does not experience with three other states. Yes.
[00:56:00] Yes, then you get moved T. If you take my name during a dying moments, you'll get mostly but not got your decision.
[00:56:12] You want God you are already one with God on the 7:00 plane that books in but you only enjoy one aspect of God that is infinite lives.
[00:56:26] You almost every plane you are on this Earth plane, but only experiencing one attribute of God. Yes.
[00:56:39] For what?
[00:56:41] Yes, even if you from the gross plane, we are all on the growth plane when we die we get moved in the trough.
[00:56:50] You can get you wanted know the definition of moxie the four different types of the well, I'll tell you one is movie when we reach our last and think of Bob and get moving. That's the ordinary move. Then one is called with aim of the medium of these the Mizzou who is on the same plane who is not conscious of the world yet. He is Mookie because he is liberated from the cycle of birth and death. So he within well between Muslim and the perfect Master the man is alive like a salad. So he College even move he's living and yet his mostly because he has got Liberation. So he's living space and the Forum of these an end because Master when he passed,
[00:57:32] That's only come from this side is gone.
[00:57:42] Yes, yes. Yes somebody's talking here. Well, this is car has the man takes on. Well, this is all that has been explained that if you are connected with the gutter with the with the big drainage your Valance it but otherwise Baba has said it in 58 at the motor will serve us he says he was talking about the Opium. I sense that that saying who's taking on the sun's cars off of other people because he's not perfect what happens to him in his next birth. This is exactly what happens with the doctor in his next birth is the same thing. So Barbara says that that Saint who was really not a saint but Bose has the saint and he took on the sun scars of millions of people in his next birth. He has to suffer because he has been among the some scars of so many people but God knows that this man has really done something good to the others because they have unconsciously passed on resonance cars. Therefore he modified the suffering and his
[00:58:42] Less suffering though who has to go through it but in a modified way.
[00:58:46] So similarly the doctor has done good for many people if he's not connected to the grid Greenwich, like fucking Master. He will have to suffer his next birth, but it will be a modified in a less intense.
[00:59:01] Yes, you want to say something?
[00:59:11] Yes, yes. Yes, we all will get mostly don't worry. Yes you
[00:59:39] It's the same state. You see one thing very confusing in the last part of God's business in the in the in the wonderful the index path the summary part of it at the end there Baba says that even after Liberation or when the perfect Master drops his body. He has become the drop has become one with Orson but he maintains his individuality which is beyond the mind to understand because if you have merged into the ocean, how can you still maintain your because otherwise what will happen is the trouble is that if that one drop becomes the infinite ocean, then all of the tops will become the infinite ocean. So therefore he sort of men in some sort of the initialization cannot understand his argument mind but the state is the same of the liberated man as well as of the opportunity. Both are in that infinite ocean become the ocean 118 is only place one the other experiences and to our knowledge.
[01:00:37] Yes for all.
[01:00:42] Yes.
[01:00:47] Well, I'll tell you about the stanchion.
[01:00:54] But the short story very short Baba asked me to ask him about his experiences and I asked different study of
[01:01:07] This tells you what, what is BCE?
[01:01:14] What what what what happened was that she was one of the Monday and all of these bundles they get Liberation. Remember the manly are not the people of the 120 remember this they may be up to 120, but they may not be of the ones in remember this very clearly now all the people on the one who you know, what the 120s
[01:01:36] You see every perfect master has a circle of 12 people and two women out our has ten such Circles of Guelph each which is hundred and twenty plus two women extra in the first circuit. So makes total of 122. This is what I call the one hint. So these are the circle people all of them are guaranteed Godzilla's but the monthly there are the people who are reading. This father wasn't for Baba. They are not necessarily of the 120 members. It's a world of difference.
[01:02:11] Strategy was one of them ones.
[01:02:15] I will take you from Sebastian.
[01:02:18] Because I know it he was the manly as well as use one of the ones so you can cut it.
[01:02:33] She didn't know that you coming back.
[01:02:39] Father once again for some work human Souls that he dropped that I know Nora has come back and now the person who is this
[01:02:48] No, no Elena. You have no energy get so much power. He has his reborn already in Indian. I know that regardless of he is now in a compass.
[01:02:59] Rockwell somebody he wants their please
[01:03:09] There's no choice you got mostly you got liberated. How can you have a choice you can have a choice? Yes.
[01:03:17] Fun
[01:03:23] What you looking for?
[01:03:26] Vocalization carbonization Garden, I don't get you and come on tell me trouble is what is the mean? What do you mean tell me?
[01:03:41] Yes.
[01:03:46] It's not your choice at all viruses don't want me to want what you want.
[01:03:54] Yet you're wanting the my want some of that so it's not your choice at all. Yes. We're going to the next one.
[01:04:08] No, no, that's not his choice. It's God's choice. It's God's choice, whether he should become a bird master of yet. Only Liberation. I asked for bother for Liberation and I told you what he told me for 12 years without a minutes break repeat my name then you'll get what realization in short it's impossible for me. That's what he meant. Yes this one system.
[01:04:37] Exactly go down as long as you can so let's say J about we can be going to the next.
[01:05:02] Welcome to the 7th annual meher, Baba.